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Post by dhfl143 on May 11, 2011 2:44:23 GMT -5
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Post by healthy11 on May 11, 2011 9:04:51 GMT -5
Every time I think about being "out of touch" by not using Facebook, something like this makes me glad I don't have an account with them.......
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Post by dhfl143 on May 11, 2011 14:47:43 GMT -5
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Post by drjohnson on May 11, 2011 15:09:34 GMT -5
I'm more concerned with Twin A who managed to get hold of my credit card number and open an account at iTunes. Got the bill the other day. How much trouble can one girl get into? Don't tell me, i don't want to know.
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Post by snapplema on May 11, 2011 22:09:54 GMT -5
I know that pain! How much was the bill? Similar thing happened to me after I got iPod for my ds and forgot to erase my credit card detail after initial app purchase (I got him good apps, such as reading, Spanish for beginners, test prep and so on: very educational . But it turns out that my ds wanted to have games there. He bought stuff for over $85! I noticed after a month when I got credit card bill. It's too easy to buy nowadays: it's just a click or a tap on the screen. And often kids don't even get credit card concept , they think it is just a card, not real money, so what's the big deal.
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Post by healthy11 on May 11, 2011 22:27:58 GMT -5
Ouch! Although my son has done some inappropriate things in his time, stealing our credit card info wasn't one of them. If I were you, I'd institute some kind of "repayment plan." Even if they don't get an allowance or earn money from pet-sitting or lawn mowing or have savings from past birthday gifts, I'd still try to come up with a list of chores/household jobs they can do, to "pay off" their debts.
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Post by drjohnson on May 11, 2011 23:21:00 GMT -5
She spent almost $300 on iTunes. She went in my purse, got my credit card and set up her own itunes acct with her own password. She tried to order herself an iPod from my Amazon acct. in the past. It's one of those things where, on top of everything else she's done, how much trouble can she be in? When you've instituted every consequence you can think of and she does something more, what do you do? Chain her in the basement?
So yeah, A's grounded & has to pay me back. I got a new credit card no. We're trying to figure how she can do that in some timely fashion. She'd already lost her phone and computer privileges. It's really hard to understand where she's going with all this. We really considered sending her to a residential program last fall, but then we made some changes & things got better. So . . . let's hope she's good for a few weeks so we can give her something back that we can hold over her head. And summer's coming. oh boy.
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Post by healthy11 on May 12, 2011 7:49:35 GMT -5
((hugs)) I know your twins are at a most difficult age, even in terms of what organized summer activities you can enroll them in to keep them "safely occupied" and you "sane." I noticed my YMCA has started offering "teen summer camps" for kids 13-16, which I think is probably in response to parents who complained that even after age 12, while some kids are responsible enough to babysit, others still need supervision themselves...
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Post by majorv on May 12, 2011 13:30:40 GMT -5
oh drjohnson, I understand your problem. I made the mistake of keying in my credit card into Xbox Live once and I'm still trying to get it stopped. It isn't all my son's fault, I guess, because I found out from others that it is hard to get them to take a card off the account once it's been put on. However, I do blame him for using one of my other cards to buy $300 worth of gas over the span of 2 weeks for his gas guzzling pickup truck. I had to cancel the card and he still owes us for that. Once we got rid of that truck he started settling down...finally! He just didn't seem to 'get it' that when you use a credit card you eventually have to pay the bill, and Mom and Dad don't have an endless supply of money! When my kids were younger they thought that if I had checks in the checkbook then I had money in the bank.
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Post by drjohnson on May 12, 2011 16:48:36 GMT -5
Healthy - Yeah, A camp would be great. A couple of years ago, I tried to transition the twins from camper to junior counselor at the local sports camp. But the high school summer school hours aren't compatible. Next year, they can try to do it or work as teachers aides in the elementary summer school. No guarantee of getting either job though.
This summer, I have them in summer school in the morning and a 2 or 3 hour, depending on which kid, intensive sports camp during that wonderfully overbooked dinner hour. I'm hoping that will poop them out so they won't have the restlessness to get into much mischief. But they may just decide that they hate the sports camps and then - Kaput. In August, we're going on at least 2 trips. I hope, hope, hope, that's enough.
majorv - A knows that credit card bills must be paid. But I don't think she has a good sense of what amount of money is reasonable yet. I get lots of request that end with "and it's only $80!" They have some friends who are fantastically wealthy, others with just fantastically indulgent parents, and others who are on public aid. It's gonna take them a while to figure out where we fall and what's likely affordable or no.
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Post by dhfl143 on May 12, 2011 23:49:56 GMT -5
Wow! Reminds me of smurf app that parents downloaded, only to learn their kids "bought" berries and they now they owed hundreds of dollars. I wonder if you could get a refund if you contacted iTunes and explained situation, or perhaps contacted your credit card to see if charges could be reversed. If it's any consolation, many kids today don't seem to appreciate the value of a dollar and seem to have the "it's only $80"mentality. I like the repayment plan idea -- I'll have to note that or future reference.
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Post by healthy11 on May 13, 2011 8:11:57 GMT -5
I've had to institute a "repayment plan" numerous times in my son's teen years...from when he borrowed my cell phone (we didn't get him his own until he started H.S.) then forgot to give it back to me, and it ended up in the washing machine, to a day where he managed to crack our toilet bowl (it was an accident, but he and a friend were goofing around, so I held him responsible.) Of course, since he started driving, there've been a couple of fender-benders, so he's had to pay us the deductible portion. I know that's not the same as intentionally stealing your credit card info, but we want to emphasize that with privileges there also come responsibilities, and if he can't accept them, then the privileges stop... drjohnson, I know that's also what you're doing, but I'm not sure what else to recommend when your daughter already has had her computer and cell phone taken away...
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Post by drjohnson on May 14, 2011 12:14:33 GMT -5
Update: iTunes has refunded all of the charges. So I guess i won't have to make Twin A repay $300, but will have to charge her a "parental service fee". Meanwhile, I'm still dickering with Amazon over the iPod purchase. I hope to get that one taken care of too. This child ought to get a job with Apple.
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Post by healthy11 on May 14, 2011 13:51:04 GMT -5
Glad to hear itunes was agreeable to reversing the charges...did they do it on the basis of her using a card that wasn't hers, or because she's under a certain age, or ?
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Post by drjohnson on May 14, 2011 19:25:07 GMT -5
They didn't explain their decision, but there were so many reasons . . .
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Post by dhfl143 on May 14, 2011 22:18:51 GMT -5
Glad to hear the good news about iTunes --- let's hope amazon follows suit
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Post by teacherabc on May 31, 2011 1:35:54 GMT -5
Hate to bring the topic back to Facebook, but kids don't realize how what they do on Facebook (or anywhere on the internet, but FB is so public) can affect peoples' perception...there is something on HP's page that is so...I am trying to think of a word wor it. It is something that he "likes", the name of a clothing company and the company[s page is nothing less than soft porn--basically a company that specializes in clothing for women that have...ample chests. It is funny, when HP had the roommate who had the centerfold on the wall in the john, he really understood the point I made about how any girls would would come to visit would be turned off by it. But he doesn't make the connection that the same thing could happen here. And I can't say anything or make a suggestion because of the subject and cause it's on FB and I am not really supposed to notice what he has on FB...I hope his best gal friend, AC sees it and says something...
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Post by healthy11 on May 31, 2011 7:42:09 GMT -5
While HP's postings don't sound unusual for a 21-yr-old guy, there have been numerous articles written about how FB content is used by college admissions departments and prospective employers to "screen" applicants. I know my son deleted some content and changed his privacy settings prior to looking for a job last year. When you do get the opportunity to talk to HP about his future, if it includes any discussion about transferring to another school, or entering the work force, then it might be an appropriate time to bring up the topic of FB content with him.
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Post by drjohnson on May 31, 2011 12:09:29 GMT -5
Maybe if you point out to HP that many Admissions and Personnel decision makers are middle aged women.
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Post by teacherabc on May 31, 2011 17:55:12 GMT -5
Good ideas...I imagine it might also not help with girls either...
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Post by teacherabc on Jun 5, 2011 18:43:21 GMT -5
A slightly funny side to FB...I was playing around--got onto the page of one of my 9th graders who wrote:
Did you know that Ms. M________ has a Facebook account? I typed in cpehs (for CPEHS COD Players) and the name is __________________. Don't be trolling though, because if i get in trouble for spreading the word of this, I'm gonna stab whoever is responsible.
May 28 at 10:14pm
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Post by healthy11 on Jun 5, 2011 19:31:05 GMT -5
I have several friends who are teachers, and some just tell the students from "day 1" ... On the "positive" side, for those whose students are reluctant writers, even seeing them engage in communication on sites like Facebook is better than having them avoid using English completely!
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Post by teacherabc on Jun 5, 2011 21:13:49 GMT -5
True...but you should see what some of the of the kids write--even the graduates, who are ones whose pages I mostly see...I am not sure you could call what many them write English...That is not this kid though...
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Post by drjohnson on Jun 8, 2011 0:31:13 GMT -5
Between texting and FB, my mischievous dyslexics are probably reading, writing and spelling more than they ever do for school. Double edged and all that.
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Post by healthy11 on Jul 16, 2011 21:40:39 GMT -5
FYI, My son informed me that Facebook is passe, and Google Plus is the "up and coming" social network site now. Facebook seems to be feeling the threat, and is banning references to it on their site: www.techtin.com/google/facebook-banning-google-plus-sponsored-ads/My son also said he tried to mention to his friends on FB that he's now using Google +, but his post never appeared.
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Post by SharonF on Jul 18, 2011 8:11:32 GMT -5
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Post by michellea on Jul 18, 2011 8:26:55 GMT -5
Interesting stuff - I love watching how these products evolve and grab market share. Remember how big AOL and Yahoo were at the start of the internet frenzy? We don't even hear these names much any more! It seems that the only thing we can really bank on is that the landscape will change.
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Post by healthy11 on Jul 18, 2011 9:43:43 GMT -5
Thanks, Sharon ~ I appreciated reading that article, and will forward it to my son for his comments!
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Post by bros on Jul 18, 2011 11:34:19 GMT -5
Google+ is a cool site.
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Post by dhfl143 on Jul 18, 2011 21:56:05 GMT -5
Bros- how did you get an invite? I thought it was still in beta.
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