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Post by ohmama on May 17, 2006 9:06:36 GMT -5
Cat,
I want to know how you get away with not paying him after a while? If someone was bribing me to swallow pills I'm afraid I would turn it into full time employment ;D.
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Post by catatonic on May 18, 2006 13:36:23 GMT -5
Yes, actually, that was the tricky part! He originally protested at having to swallow the vitamins when the cash wasn't forthcoming. I sat down on the sofa and told him I couldn't take him to school until they were all inside him. Since he HATES to be late, that was a motivational transition...not entirely without argument though. And I had to watch him like a hawk to make sure they didn't end up in his pocket or flushed down the toilet! NOTHING is easy with this boy (I'm sure you can relate  ). |
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Post by candcmom on May 18, 2006 17:31:23 GMT -5
I have a quick question--I have scanned this thread but have not seem much mention of the type of magnesium that our doctor has recommended to us. We are usng a magnesium citrate called Natural Calm. It comes in a raspberry-lemon power (you add water) that is not great, but is drinkable--my kids drink it fine. And then we also rub a magnesium sulfate cream from Kirkman (basically epson salt in a lotion) on them at night. Does anyone have any experience with these products and are they getting a good type of magnesium? Thanks.
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Post by catatonic on May 19, 2006 7:54:37 GMT -5
In terms of absorption, magnesium citrate is a good choice as it is well-utilized by the body. It tends to be harder on the stomach than other forms, but that's a side effect that wears off once you're accustomed to taking the extra magnesium. The problem I have is that the "citrate" portion of the compound is derived from corn syrup. My son cannot tolerate corn syrup in any form, and any citrate or citric acid is enough to cause an awful behavioral reaction. If that's not a problem for you, then the magnesium citrate is a good one to take.
The mag sulfate cream is also well-absorbed. In fact, it's so well absorbed that it is possible to provide too much magnesium this way, more than the body can handle. Just be sure you don't exceed the recommended amount of cream or combine it with other forms of magnesium (like epsom salt baths) without checking with the doctor.
Sounds to me like you're doing just fine!
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Post by candcmom on May 19, 2006 16:08:12 GMT -5
I just checked with the manufacturer of the magnesium cirtrate we use--it is Peter Gillham's Natural Calm--it comes in 3 flavors --and it has no corn syrup in it. So here is a brand if you ever wanted to change. Thanks for answering my questions! I really appreciate it--especially since I am fed up with the doctor that recommended it and will now be looking for a new doctor.
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Post by cheermom on May 19, 2006 16:19:29 GMT -5
we also use natural calm and we are really happy with it
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Post by pattikrue on May 22, 2006 9:23:12 GMT -5
This is more like a question, actually. I'm currently giving my son (38 pds) magnesium citrate. Yet, I'm unsure of the exact dosage, so I normally give him about 1/4th of a pill. Do you guys know what, exactly, I should be giving? In addition, do you recommend zinc? If so, how much?
Thanks!
Patti Krueger
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Post by cheermom on May 22, 2006 11:23:19 GMT -5
i give my son about 200 mg of magnesium and about 15 mg. of zinc
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Post by catatonic on May 23, 2006 21:40:23 GMT -5
pittikrue, low end dose would be 120mg up to a maximum of 240mg a day. You calculate it based on body weight, with 3 X weight being the recommended maintenance dose. 6 X weight is a therapeutic dose, for addressing a deficiency.
Zinc is probably a good idea. Low end would be 15mg, 50 would be the maximum and probably too much for your son since he's not very large. Anywhere from 15 - 35mg ought to do the trick.
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Post by imomtojd on Jul 25, 2006 10:03:16 GMT -5
I've been lurking for a month now and love this forum. It has alot of great members with very useful info. I've started giving DS, 50lbs., magnesium. The bottle states it is "67% as magnesium amino acid chelate, 33% as magnesium oxide." Each tablet supplies 200mg with 50% daily value. So...my question is - is that a full 200mg of magnesium, so he just has to take one tablet daily; or is there really a lesser amount of magnesium? Thanks so much for your help. I don't want to give too much to DS, but I do want him to get enough to see if it's helpful. Lisa  |
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Post by catatonic on Jul 25, 2006 14:09:58 GMT -5
Yes, it's 200mg of magnesium. Approximately 135mg is in the form of a chelated compound, and the remaining 65mg is from magnesium oxide.
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Post by coach1 on Aug 10, 2006 9:15:25 GMT -5
Magnesium Malate is Magnesium with Malic Acid. MalicAcid is good to lower Aluminum levels in the body. Bacteria issues with the gut are connected with Aluminum issues especially for girls. Must be a hormone thing. But Malic acid will help with gut issues by detoxing Aluminum which holds onto bad Bacteria in the body. You might go out and search on Malic Acid which is the same as Malate in the Magnesium Malate supplements. Malate is also part of the Krebs Cycle and kids do have issues with the Krebs Cycle. So you can Search on "Krebs Cycle" also. Also look at things like ATP production. Citrate of Magnesium Citrate is also part of the Krebs Cycle. If you really want to supplement the Krebs Cycle there is a Tri-Mag Supplement that has several of the Kreb Cycle intermediates. www.integratedhealth.com/hpdspec/tri.html |
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Post by bigsue on Sept 11, 2006 1:42:47 GMT -5
Hi Cat I have a quick question for you. I have just started my 2 boys aged 6 and 8 on liquid Floradix. THey weigh 65 and 72 pounds. Each 20 ml cup has 250mg. of mag. gluconate and mag. citrate. I haven't done the test yet but wanted to start the school year 'right'. Does this look alright to you?
thanks susan
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Post by catatonic on Sept 11, 2006 7:26:19 GMT -5
Yes, it looks fine. Just right. How do they like the taste of the Floradix?
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Post by bigsue on Sept 11, 2006 9:29:13 GMT -5
hey cat,
thanks for the help and they like the taste thank goodness. cheers
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Post by lakersey on Oct 2, 2006 15:18:26 GMT -5
Cat -
I had another question about Floradix. My son has not been able to tolerate any kind of magnesium at all until I tried Floradix. My naturapath wants him on 500 - 800 mg Calcium and at least 100 mg Mag (if he can tolerate it) per day while we chelate him for lead. The Floradix package says that it has 155 mg of Calcium from 1474 mg gluconate and lactate and 186 mg Mag from 3106 mg magnesium gluconate and citrate.
I know that when you take a supplement with 500 mg Calcium Citrate, for example, only some percentage of that is actually Calcium, the rest being the citrate. So my questions is, is this equivalent to giving him 1474 mg Calcium and 3106 mg Magnesium? I realize that the actual mineral content varies greatly from one type to the next, I would just like to know if this is in the ballpark. I've actually been giving him a half dose for the past two weeks, just to make sure that he will tolerate it.
Thanks!
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Post by catatonic on Oct 2, 2006 21:48:49 GMT -5
The larger number represents the weight of the compound -- magnesium plus citrate, for example. The smaller number is the elemental weight of the magnesium in that compound. So he is getting 186mg magnesium from a dose, and 155mg calcium.
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Post by sherricp on Oct 5, 2006 23:20:41 GMT -5
Hello, I am new here and had a question about the cheek test. When I tapped my son's cheek, his upper lip jiggled as I tapped, but there wasn't any muscular twitching that I noticed. Is that a negative? Or does "jiggling" count?
I've read through many of the messages, but it seems that people use a lot of things. If 1) child has severe problems with constipation, so laxative action would be a good thing and 2) is very sensitive to taste and texture changes so I need something that either tastes good or blends well and 3) isn't too exorbitantly expensive since there are likely to be times when he won't finish whatever I mix it in, what do you recommend and where's a good place to order it?
Thanks,
Sherri
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Post by catatonic on Oct 5, 2006 23:33:52 GMT -5
What I saw in two of my kids was a definite twitch of the upper lip. The lip lifted upwards towards the nose. I'm not sure what you mean by "jiggle" but I would think that any reaction involving the upper lip moving would indicate a positive response. For not-bad tasting magnesium, have you looked at Floradix liquid? One capful is an adequate dose for a child up to about 80lb. www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs&pid=FLO-14783 |
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Post by sherricp on Oct 5, 2006 23:53:45 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply and the floradix suggestion.
By jiggle, I basically meant that the vibration of cheek tapping resulted in his upper lip moving as well. Is that clearer? There definitely wasn't a lifting or anything that looked as if it were caused by a muscle moving.
Sherri
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Post by catatonic on Oct 6, 2006 7:21:51 GMT -5
In that case, if you don't believe it was a positive response to the test, then stick with the maintenance dose for magnesium...approximately 3 times your child's body weight. (So a 70lb child would take around 210mg.)
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Post by sherricp on Oct 6, 2006 22:44:18 GMT -5
Thanks! I just wasn't sure if the test was testing for "twitchiness/muscle reaction in response to nearby movement" or "looseness/likelihood of wiggling along with a nearby vibration".
Sherri
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Post by elle on Oct 23, 2006 16:29:44 GMT -5
There is not a good tasting magnesium for a small child to take? 4 yo
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Post by sherricp on Dec 17, 2006 18:41:01 GMT -5
 My son likes the taste of both the floradix (it's rather juicy, but odd) and Natural Vitality Kid's Calm. I don't know if there are many others that taste good.   (Excessive smiley use because my kids saw me posting and each begged me to let them pick smilies to put in) Sherri
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Post by dawn2000k on Feb 21, 2008 20:28:24 GMT -5
You want to hear something strange too? Someone had recommended that I take it while pregnant last year. I took it all the way up until my 7th month (I ran out of it and didn't think to buy anymore). Within a week that ill feeling ended up developing into severe preeclampsia (emergency C-section 6 weeks early). I did feel very sick the entire pregnancy, but I truly believe that it kept it at bay the entire time I took it.
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Post by m00mma on Jun 2, 2008 11:15:57 GMT -5
would it be strange for one child in a family to test positive for a mag deficiency and another not to? my oldest seems to have a deficiency but my middle doesn't. could i be doing the test wrong?
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Post by Mayleng on Jun 2, 2008 15:20:16 GMT -5
It is possible. Everyone is different, it could be how each body process the magnesium etc as well. If you are going to supplement magnesium, remember not to use the oxide ones, they are not well absorbed by the body.
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Post by m00mma on Jun 4, 2008 22:15:11 GMT -5
Thank you!
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Post by m00mma on Aug 29, 2008 13:15:27 GMT -5
www.ionichs.com/minerals/magnesium.htmlanyone have experience with this liquid magnesium? it doesn't show how many servings per bottle and i am a bit worried about that...i know it is afloz...i suppose i should just go convert that....lol! i need coffee! but i am thrilled that i could give one half teaspoon in the am and one quarter teaspoon in the afternoon and be good to go with my oldest dd. That seems to be a bit easier than pills.
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Post by Mayleng on Aug 29, 2008 15:43:11 GMT -5
It says ½ teaspoon provides 250 milligrams of elemental magnesium, so take your child's weight and multiply by 3 = mg. of elemental magnesium needed (if your child does not have a deficiency), if there is a deficiency multiply his weight by 6.
So if your child weighed 50 lbs then the mgs needed would be 150mgs = slightly more than quarter teaspoon if there is no deficiency. If there is then 50lbs x 6 =300 mgs (slightly more than 1/2 a teaspoon.
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