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Post by catatonic on Jan 16, 2005 12:31:53 GMT -5
You're very welcome. I kid you not when I say I'm a geek, and enjoy reading about this stuff! And lovemykids, you would do just fine buying the Country Life Omega-3. It's a good product. The main difference I notice between somewhat less refined products like this one and those that have been through a higher degree of refinement is that the more refined stuff does not tend to carry as much of a fish taste, or to repeat on you in the forms of fish burps. It also should't oxidize as quickly. Whatever you buy, make sure to keep it in the fridge so that it won't go rancid.
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Post by G on Jan 16, 2005 12:55:52 GMT -5
We are glad you are a geek. I try to read about this stuff but my mind wanders, but i do that will all reading. I skip paragraphs, just to see what happens next. I look for the main ideas, and in doing that i miss a lot of the other good stuff. I guess i should not be surprised when my kids show the same tendencies!!!
nat
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Post by franksmom on Jan 16, 2005 13:36:38 GMT -5
Catatonic.. what do you think of the Nordic Naturals Pro Omega Liquid...Pharmaceutical Grade-Molecularly Distilled. Purified deep sea fish oil,natural lemon oil,mixed tocopherols, rosemary extract. EPA-875,DHA 625. I bought it by mistake when I really wanted the Ultimate Omega. When I read it it sounded very similar. My son is not crazy about the flavor but he still takes it.
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Post by franksmom on Jan 16, 2005 13:54:50 GMT -5
I was researching the Rosemary Oil that is in the Pro Omega that I bought and I found this. I thought it was interesting so I thought I'd post it.
Rosemary Oil The ancients used rosemary heavily, both as a food herb and medicine. While we might use a dusting of it on special dishes, the ancients used it so aggressively that some of their dishes might taste to us like mentholatum. As a medicine, its ancient use is extensive, and Lawless notes that it is one of the oldest known medicinal herbs. Perhaps its most ancient use is enhancement of mental function; the Greeks used it to enhance memory. In Medieval Europe it was purported to enhance mental prowess and intellectual acumen. Europeans used it as a cardiac and kidney tonic.
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Post by catatonic on Jan 16, 2005 19:12:40 GMT -5
I think the Nordic Naturals products are excellent. They hold themselves to high standards, and even send their product to an independt laboratory for quality assurance. (If you'd like, you can take a look at one of their laboratory reports at www.nutrasource.ca/files/Final_Nordic_Naturals,_Batch_232461.pdf Unfortunately, my Challenge Boy has a terrible behavioral reaction to the lemon oil in them, so we are unable to use them. We use the Natural Factors Rx-Omega3 instead. If you don't notice worsening behavior when using the Nordic Naturals, then they are a fine choice.
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Post by lep on Jan 16, 2005 21:31:17 GMT -5
Hi, I finallt got to the "posting world" out of the "lurker kingdom". Hi Mayleng! I'm not quite familiar with the site and not sure if I should reply here or start another discussion. My son (with ADHD and dyslexia) started Omega-3 last week plus Vitamin E today..He also takes muti-vitamin and vitamin C. Now I just read about magnesium and iron and lecithin and so on.......I am just wondering...so how many pieces of supplements (and what kind) does your kids take? My son also takes Adderrall XR too - so it just seems like there's so much pills to take in a day. Sorry, I'm quite new on this supplement and vitamin thing. Any help will be appreciated....
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Post by Mayleng on Jan 16, 2005 21:38:46 GMT -5
Hi LEP, welcome.
The thing that I would do, and what Cat recommends is to add one supplement at a time, to see if you get any benefit or side effects before adding something else.
I think the base is Omega 3s, Vit E, a good Multivitamin with minerals (Cat has recommended a couple of brands somewhere), and maybe Magnesium. Your son is not hyper, so I don't think he will need too many others.
You are right it is alot of pills to take. I would also recommend not giving the pills at the same time as his meds ie. give meds in the morning and supplements in the afternoon.
I am sure Cat will chime in when she logs in tomorrow morning.
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Post by G on Jan 16, 2005 22:21:07 GMT -5
Each 1/2 teaspoon provides: EPA: 875 mg other Omega-3: 250 mg DHA: 625 mg Vitamin E (mixed tocopherols): 14 IU I copied this from the Nordic Natural Ultimate Omega liquid. To get the proper amount of DHA you would have to give 1 tsp? right? Then there would be over 1600 mg of EPA, is that okay? Plus that would be 28IU's of vitamin E. we are getting 30IU in our multivitiam. I want to get a liquid to try but now I am confused. Am i reading this wrong? I am trying to find the liquid that everyone is saying they only have to give 1/2 tsp and that is all for the day. I thought i did but now i don't know. Hi LEP! nat
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Post by lep on Jan 16, 2005 22:40:57 GMT -5
Hi nat! Thanks Mayleng.
Also looking forward to catatonic's input.
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Post by Mayleng on Jan 16, 2005 22:50:16 GMT -5
Each 1/2 teaspoon provides: EPA: 875 mg other Omega-3: 250 mg DHA: 625 mg Vitamin E (mixed tocopherols): 14 IU I copied this from the Nordic Natural Ultimate Omega liquid. To get the proper amount of DHA you would have to give 1 tsp? right? Then there would be over 1600 mg of EPA, is that okay? Plus that would be 28IU's of vitamin E. we are getting 30IU in our multivitiam. I want to get a liquid to try but now I am confused. Am i reading this wrong? I am trying to find the liquid that everyone is saying they only have to give 1/2 tsp and that is all for the day. I thought i did but now i don't know. Hi LEP! nat The amounts used in studies were: 480mg DHA and 720mg EPA daily. So 1/2 a tsp of the Nordic naturals Ultimate Omega is DHA 625mg and EPA 875mg, is more than enough.
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Post by catatonic on Jan 17, 2005 4:16:24 GMT -5
Nat, Mayleng is right, the 1/2tsp dose is plenty.
Welcome, Lep. You're right, the number of pills you have to swallow each day can seem like a lot. I'll list what my son takes to give you an idea...but keep in mind he takes no medication, and this means more supplements. Also, because he has several food intolerances that we have to work around, I have to select single nutrients, whereas other people might be able to use combination products instead. (For example, if you select your multi-vitamin carefully, you can avoid having to take additional Vitamin E, Vitamin C, iron, zinc.)
My son's list: 1.) Fish oil capsules - 1 in the morning, 1 in the evening 2.) Magnesium capsules - 1 in morning, 1 in evening 3.) Multi-vitamin - 1 in morning 4.) Vitamin E - 1 in morning 5.) Evening Primrose Oil - 1 in morning 6.) Tyrosine - 1 in morning, 1 in evening 7.) Zinc - 1 in morning 8.) Carnitine - 1 in morning 9.) Acidophilus - 1 in morning, 1 in evening 10.) Lecithin granules and protein powder (they aren't pills, but they are part of his supplement protocol)
This will change from time to time as we try new things or put some on holiday. It also wouldn't be successful for everyone. There are several supplements that help in many cases, but can also make things worse, and for my son they are on the bad list. That won't be true for everyone. That includes: Vitamin B6 (or its activated form P5P) 5-HTP (or other supplements that increase serotonin)
Do start your supplements one at a time. Sometimes they'll make things worse -- either because of the nutrient itself, or due to something added to it during manufacturing. You'll end up confused and overwhelmed if you try to add too many things at once. Your core supplements won't be many, and since you're using them with medication, you might not need to add anything else. From my experience, the most important supplements for any ADHD child would seem to be: 1.) Omega-3 (probably 2 capsules per day) 2.) Vitamin E (1 capsule) 3.) Magnesium (probably 2 capsules) 4.) A multi-vitamin (1 tablet) 5.) Lecithin (probably 3 capsules)
That's 9 capsules, which will vary depending on the size and strength of the products you select. I hope this has addressed your question.
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Post by G on Jan 17, 2005 8:53:51 GMT -5
Ok, i think i will give that one a try, worse comes to worse, if the kiddos wont take it then i will. I am thiking that they can just "fear factor' down a 1/2 tsp if it is that horrible. Also, thanks for the vitamain E info. I am going to get some incase they revolt and wont take the liquid omega. My dd has no trouble taking the pills at all. the liquid has some vit E right in it, i like that!! Your son is so lucky to have such a knowledgable mom, were you always into this, or did you come to learn about it because of your son. I am off to search for your recommended mulitvitamins!! The kids have off school today and each one has a friend over, so i should be able to stay on the computer longer because they will be busy! nat
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Post by Mayleng on Jan 18, 2005 10:17:49 GMT -5
swmom posted this over at the conventional medication board and I wanted to add a post here too, as it relates to Omega 3s as well as strattera - for members who don't frequent the medication board. I asked her to keep us updated.
Cat, any input on the various tests they will be doing?
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Post by lep on Jan 18, 2005 10:26:20 GMT -5
Catatonic,
Thank you very much. It's exactly the answer I' looking for.
Mayleng, thanks for posting the excerpt from swmom's post. It's very encouraging to see results from Omega-3
I'm so glad to have found your site!
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Post by Mayleng on Jan 18, 2005 10:57:37 GMT -5
lep, you know who swmom is at schwab right?
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Post by lep on Jan 18, 2005 11:09:22 GMT -5
I am having my "senior moment" and I can't recall exactly but her name sounds familiar (more fish oil for me )
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Post by G on Jan 18, 2005 11:16:15 GMT -5
I think Senior moments are contagoius, I was having one when i read the info about the omega liquid, i thought it was only 250 DHA and not 625 DUH! Sometime you wonder how you can be looking at something and it is right there and you still don't see it. thanks guys, i read it again and see that the answer was right there in front of my nose!! more fish oil needed for me too, he he did you see they upped the price of that to 33 bucks, i can't believe i didn't order it a couple of days ago nat
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Post by ohmama on Jan 18, 2005 11:37:57 GMT -5
Nat, I saw that! I thought that $20 price was too good to be true so I ordered 8 bottles just in time. I'll bet someone doing the web page goofed and made the price too low and they caught it. I've never seen it that low so suspect it was an error.
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Post by Mayleng on Jan 18, 2005 11:49:36 GMT -5
I am having my "senior moment" and I can't recall exactly but her name sounds familiar (more fish oil for me ) lep, you were not having a senior moment. swmom is using another name at schwab. She is jlweiland. Can you guess who d is at schwab (if you were paying attention, you would noticed I made a slip at schwab and let her millermom name slip instead of her schwab name. shhhhhhh!
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Post by G on Jan 18, 2005 12:26:18 GMT -5
Hey, did you know there is someone impersonating me over at Schwaab!? haha ha i should have used another name, then i could have talked about my self over here!! you tricky gals! i wish i would have done what you did ohmama! BTW, i think your screen name is so cute! my little guy still calls me mama sometimes, i love it! nat
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Post by Jair1 on Jan 18, 2005 19:53:31 GMT -5
Hi, I just bought my dd the extra strength RX Omega 3 capsules. They have 200 DHA and 400 EPA. Will 2 capsules be enough for her? It will be just slightly light on the DHA. If I give her 3, she will have 1200 EPA. What have most parents chosen?
Thanks,
Gerry
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Post by lep on Jan 20, 2005 0:01:10 GMT -5
Mayleng, now you got me thinking.... a long shot guess is cmdm .... honestly, I have not explored the other section here yet. I'm always here at the alternative and diet section...maybe over the weekend I will... We're still on omega-3 - hoping that in 12 weeks I would be able o decide wether to really up G's med to 10 mg or maybe Omega-3 will do the job... nat - you're funny! (someone impersonating you at schwab?
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Post by catatonic on Jan 20, 2005 4:00:45 GMT -5
Jerry, I use the same product. I alternate giving my son two capsules one day and three the next. If I can't remember which day it is, then I give him 3. (He does better on larger quantities anyway, so what the heck.)
Mayleng, the list of tests you posted is excellent, a very comprehensive check for many of the metabolic issues that contribute to ADHD symptoms. TSH is a check for thyroid hormone levels. Organic acids checks for a large variety of conditions including some genetic metabolic isues and yeast overgrowth. Lead, while an unlikely culprit, is always a good idea to check for...same with the iron test for anemia. This is a good workup. In fact, it's one that should be done on every ADHD child before they're handed medication. Many of them wouldn't need medication if their underlying metabolic issues were addressed first. Swmom is fortunate in her choice of doctors.
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Post by Mayleng on Jan 20, 2005 7:53:33 GMT -5
Thanks Cat. I wish they would do these testing too before meds.
Lep, yes it is cmdm. How did you figure that out?
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Post by lep on Jan 21, 2005 5:22:41 GMT -5
Mayleng, I read in one of her post at Schwabbbieland that she's a moderator here. She's always been helpful to me so I monitor her posts I agree with you and catatonic about the "tests" to be given prior to prescribing the med. I think I'm going to suggest those to our beloved pediatrician (he's really researching a lot on ADHD, and he's very passionate about helping kids). I realized yesterday that we're giving our son an overdose of vit E. I thought the bottle says 100IU, found out it's 1000IU. Thankfully he's only took it for 3 days (1 each day). I stopped giving it to him and we'll find thw 100IU and start it next week.
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Post by Mayleng on Jan 21, 2005 8:07:18 GMT -5
lep, yes look for the 100 iu, you don't want to give too much of Vitamin E (not a good thing).
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Post by d on Jan 21, 2005 18:46:17 GMT -5
Thanks Cat. I wish they would do these testing too before meds. Lep, yes it is cmdm. How did you figure that out? Boy oh boy, don't tell Mayleng *any* secrets. She's been busting about this one for about two weeks now! (just kidding Mayleng!)
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Post by Mayleng on Jan 21, 2005 20:10:18 GMT -5
Mayleng, I read in one of her post at Schwabbbieland that she's a moderator here. She's always been helpful to me so I monitor her posts d, I think you were the one who gave it away according to lep's post above. ;D ;D
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Post by d on Jan 21, 2005 21:06:45 GMT -5
d, I think you were the one who gave it away according to lep's post above. ;D ;D OK - you got me on that one... (details, details....) ;D
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Post by lep on Jan 27, 2005 10:02:40 GMT -5
t*ngue
mayleng and d, you guys are funny! sh*kh*ad
g**d*ne
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