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Post by lucasmom on Apr 12, 2008 15:16:29 GMT -5
TerryB: The NOW DHA 250 has 200mg of EPA for 2 capsules. Not anywhere near the 1000mg that fiona mentioned in her post. I'll look around for another option. The Nordic Naturals Ultimate Omega 3 1000mg provides 650mg EPA and 450 mg DHA per 2 capsules. Also has 180mg other omega 3s in 2 capsules. This might be a better choice, I just need to know how large the capsules are. My son takes meds ok, but they haven't been very large. I must say, trying to figure out the right combo of supplements can be overwhelming. The ArcticPure EPA you are taking sounds intriguing, just not sure he could take a large pill. Of course, if he can't maybe I should take it. Thanks for the help.
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Post by TerryB on Apr 12, 2008 19:43:05 GMT -5
Lots of parents use the Nordic Naturals. You would have good company. There is another board that I visit that has tons of posts on omega 3's. There are actually two huge threads that I read through. You would get many opinions there and other name brands mentioned. I'm not sure if you have to be a member to view but I'll post a link: www.adhdnews.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17175&PN=1 There is an older thread on the same forum if you want to go back in time. Probably this latest thread is more up to date. I researched this extensively and made my own decision but I bet someone else could read the same information and come up with a somewhat different view. This is new territory involving fairly small studies. I think we are still not sure of the doses but I think the EPA is too low in the Now DHA capsules. Terry
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Post by connorsmom on Apr 30, 2008 22:35:22 GMT -5
Hi All, I'm so happy to have found this thread....So much great information! I found a product at GNC that I was hoping to get an opinion on. www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2772206&cp&sr=1&origkw=omega+3&kw=omega+3&parentPage=searchThe product info tab shows all the amounts per serving. My DS is 7 years old and 72 lbs. (He's a tall boy) I wanted to start supplementing him with the Omega for focus/hyperactivity issues. I was wondering if this product was okay and how much to give him and how many times per day. Also, I was reading about the Vit E and wondered about quantities on that also. I really appreciate any info you can give. Thank you so much! Tiff
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Post by Mayleng on May 3, 2008 22:30:39 GMT -5
Welcome Tiff, sorry I missed your post.
With regards, to Vitamin E, about 100 iu a day should be more than enough. The GNC product already has 50iu, you could supplement with another 50iu if you like. In order to replicate clinical studies that have found Omega-3 oils effective in treating ADHD, you need to consume 480mg DHA and 720mg EPA daily.
So it looks like one teaspoon of the GNC product should be enough.
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Post by connorsmom on May 4, 2008 9:45:47 GMT -5
Thank you so much for your reply! I will just get some additional Vitamin E and we will be on our way.
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Post by smvh on May 13, 2008 13:03:35 GMT -5
Does anyone have an opinion about krill oil as an alternative to fish oil? I've read it's more bioavailable, and that it does not give fishy burps. Has anyone tried it?
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Post by Mayleng on May 13, 2008 14:24:16 GMT -5
Nope, I haven't. Maybe someone here might have.
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Post by dhfl143 on Jul 9, 2008 22:14:38 GMT -5
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Post by lucasmom on Jul 10, 2008 17:57:28 GMT -5
My son has been on Nordic Naturals Ultimate Omega 3 1000mg provides 650mg EPA and 450 mg DHA per 2 capsules since mid April. (My son is 11.5 yrs old, weighs 60 lbs, and is ADD inattentive) I'm wondering what type of changes should we be seeing? My husband is soo tired of hearing "I forgot", "I don't remember" he is ready to put him back on meds! It is frustrating, but I'm trying to keep my patience. I don't want meds since I do enjoy his personality now than the 3 years of Adderall and Strattera.
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Post by crescentcitygal on Jul 21, 2008 11:35:29 GMT -5
Couple of questions here about fish oil brands and dosage. I have read here and elsewhere that a 7:1 ration of EPA:DHA is best for kids with ADHD and other learning/behavioral problems. Has anyone actually FOUND a brand with this ratio? It seems many here use Nordic Naturals, which is the brand we bought for a couple of years, but I don't see a formulation they make with the 7:1 ratio. Any suggestions?
Also, I want to ask what other brands are pharmaceutical grade and considered "good" brands. I ordered NN online for a long time before we moved and had access to a grocery store with a large health food section, and they carried the NN line. I have been buying it there for over a year, but they recently stopped carrying the Complete Omega 3-6-9 Liquid I used. The only NN they now carry is Arctic Cod Liver Oil, which has more DHA than EPA, which is not good for our kids, right? I think cod liver oil has high Vit. A, which also worries me because of toxicity in high amounts.
So I recently bought the NOW brand Omega-3 because it had the best ratio of EPA:DHA I could find at this store (740 EPA:475 DHA, which is a little better than the NN 3-6-9 I was buying). I could not find much information on this brand, as doing a search on the word "NOW" brings up any post or website that uses the word "now"! Is anyone familiar with it? Is it considered a good brand? The label says it is "made in Norway" (just like NN), and "molecularly distilled in a pharmaceutical facility." This grocery store does tend to stock high-quality supplements, so I felt pretty good about buying it. I just hate changing to the unknown. Also, the NOW brand of fish oil only contains Omega-3 (no Omega-6 or 9 like the NN product we used). Is this okay, or are the 6 and 9 important to have along with the 3?
Twinlabs is another brand of fish oil carried at this grocery store (there are others, but I don't remember), so any that would be another option. But I don't know anything about this brand either.
Thanks for any advice!
Paula
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Post by deeyana on Aug 17, 2008 20:48:12 GMT -5
We've used the coromega for my 9 year old. I'm confused on how many packs of coromega to give him a day and if I still need to give him vitamin E? I've only been giving him one pack a day. After reading this thread I'm thinking one is not enough and maybe he is not getting enough vitamin E in the coromega?
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Post by eoffg on Aug 18, 2008 5:27:38 GMT -5
Their is actually no need for vitamin E to be combined with omega3. It's just a marketing strategy.
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Post by coach1 on Jan 15, 2010 11:55:06 GMT -5
Omega-3, vitamin E mix shows potential for autistic speech
By Stephen Daniells, 19-Aug-2009
Related topics: Omega-3, Research, Antioxidants, carotenoids, Nutritional lipids and oils, Vitamins & premixes, Cognitive and mental function
A combination of omega-3 fatty acids and vitamin E may lead to speech improvements in autistic children with verbal disorders, suggests a new study.
Verbal apraxia is a speech disorder common in autism, and an estimated 50 per cent of children with autism have apraxia. Furthermore, many thousands more are reported to have apraxia but are not autistic.
According to new research published in the journal Alternative Therapies in Health and Medicine, daily supplements of omega-3 and vitamin E were associated with improvements in speech, imitation, eye contact, and behaviour.
Claudia Morris from the Children’s Hospital and Research Center Oakland (CHRCO) and Marilyn Agin from the Saint Vincent Medical Center in New York recruited families with experiences of omega-3 fatty acid and vitamin E supplementation. The majority of families used doses of 800 IU of vitamin E, while the average omega-3 consumption was 280 to 840 mg DHA and 695 to 2,085mg EPA.
The ratios and dosages determined through the work with the study led to a patent for Dr Morris through the CHRCO (US patent # 2008/002216). The patented formulation is licensed exclusively to Illinois-based NourishLife from CHRCO.
Kate Bolton, VP of speech nutrients at NourishLife, told NutraIngredients: “The results of the study are significant in that 97 per cent of the participants with apraxia and/or on the autism spectrum reported dramatic improvements while taking a combination of omega-3 fatty acids and vitamin E.
“The study represents the largest summary of children with apraxia to date,” she added.
“Antidotal evidence had previously shown that omega-3 can help children with apraxia and those known as ‘late talkers’. The researchers discovered that they symptoms presented by children with apraxia mirror those of vitamin E deficiency,” said Bolton. “The addition of high dose vitamin E with omega-3 fatty acids is the breakthrough.”
Study details
The researchers recruited 187 children with verbal apraxia who had received vitamin E plus polyunsaturated fatty acid supplementation. They noted that verbal apraxia is not only a speech disorder but rather a complex syndrome that affects a person’s neurologic function.
A subgroup of children emerged, characterised by autism, sensory issues, low muscle tone, food allergy, coordination problems, and impaired gastrointestinal function.
The presence of multiple allergies and intestinal problems are associated with nutritional deficiencies including vitamin E, omega-3, and carnitine. Following supplementation, 181 families (97 per cent) reported “dramatic improvements in a number of areas”, said the researchers. These included speech, behaviour, eye contact, and other sensory issues.
“We characterize a novel apraxia phenotype that responds to polyunsaturated fatty acids and vitamin E,” wrote the researchers.
“Appropriate screening may identify a subgroup of children with a previously unrecognized syndrome of allergy, apraxia, and malabsorption who are responsive to nutritional interventions in addition to traditional speech and occupational therapy,” they added.
“Controlled trials in apraxia and autism spectrum disorders are warranted,” concluded Morris and Agin.
Bolton confirmed that work is indeed ongoing in this area, with the a clinical study and protocol designed to continue to understand the impact omega-3 and vitamin E have on autism and verbal apraxia, and to begin to determine the underlying mechanisms in verbal apraxia. However, funding for the study is yet to be secured, she said.
Source: Alternative Therapies in Health and Medicine July/August 2009, Volume 15, Number 4, Pages 34-43 "Syndrome of allergy, apraxia, and malabsorption: Characterisation of a neurodevelopmental phenotype that responds to omega-3 and vitamin E supplementation" Authors: C.R. Morris, M.C. Agin
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Post by crescentcitygal on Feb 12, 2010 12:49:31 GMT -5
Okay, time to talk fish oil again. I'm ready to try a new fish oil supplement for my 9 yo DS (he was on Nordic Naturals for years, but I believe they exacerbated his tics, so he has been off all fish oil for several months). I found Cooper Complete Omega-3 at my grocery store yesterday (which has a very nice vitamin and supplement section). It has a 5:1 ratio of EPA to DHA. I know a 7:1 ratio has been discussed as being ideal, but I have never found that anywhere. This is the highest ratio I have found, so I wanted to try it. Is anyone familiar with this brand? I don't know if it is new, or if I just hadn't seen it before.
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Post by Mayleng on Feb 12, 2010 15:27:03 GMT -5
No experience with that brand, I have been using RX Omega Factors-3 (Dr. Murray). I have also used RX Omega Factors Omega3 with Borage Oil for my older son to control his Asthma (which has been working for him).
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Post by crescentcitygal on Feb 17, 2010 9:32:48 GMT -5
Well, I guess my son just can't tolerate fish oil. I started the Cooper Complete 6 days ago, and he started having very significant motor tics about 2 days later. I'm going to drop the dosage down to 2 capsules to see if the tics subside, and if not, I'll stop completely. It's a shame because I really think they benefit him in other ways.
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Post by Mayleng on Feb 17, 2010 11:41:32 GMT -5
I know the feeling. My ADHD ds can't take fishoil because he has nosebleeds. He suffers from chronic nosebleeds even without the fishoil so I can't risk giving him fishoil since it will make his blood thinner.
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Post by crescentcitygal on Feb 17, 2010 13:13:57 GMT -5
Mayleng, that's an excellent point you bring up about the nosebleeds. I had read about fish oil thinning the blood, but didn't really think much about it when DS had nosebleeds off and on. I can't remember now if the nosebleeds occurred mostly when he was taking fish oil. Come to think of it, I should probably as my dr. if it is safe for ME to take fish oil since I tend to bleed a lot when I get cut. I also have relatively low blood pressure. I have been taking fish oil caps for a couple of years myself. This is a wake-up call for me that we have to be careful even with very "safe" supplements.
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Post by Mayleng on Feb 17, 2010 13:52:53 GMT -5
You should always tell the doctor you are taking fishoil. It should be stopped at least 2 weeks before any surgeries.
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Post by Mayleng on Mar 3, 2010 17:46:24 GMT -5
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Post by coopersmom on Jun 4, 2010 15:17:13 GMT -5
Not surprising!
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Post by wachel on Oct 2, 2012 17:42:06 GMT -5
I take Krill oil, and B vitamins and they have made a huge difference for me. I feel lethargic and almost depressed when I forget to take them for a while. I learned about those from ADD Crusher, there are lots of little things like that. I am currently working on stopping the screen sucking, i.e., get off facebook and TV! Best of luck to everyone. Glad I found this forum.
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Post by healthy11 on Oct 2, 2012 17:50:50 GMT -5
Wachel, to Millermom's! We're not the most "advertised" group on the web (in fact, we are strictly volunteer, and do NOT accept any money from any advertisers, nor do we allow any product advertising) but we think that allows us to be unbiased/completely honest about what kinds of approaches work the best when it comes to dealing with ADHD/LDs. Would you be open to sharing a bit more about your background? (Are you a student and/or a parent and/or a professional who may have ADHD and/or work with others who do?)
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Post by kc4braves on May 13, 2013 0:28:22 GMT -5
OK. We are seriously wanting to jump on the Omega 3 Bandwagon. I have tried to wade through all these posts but 17 pages is a lot. I'm feeling ADHD myself after the effort. Anyway, I would like for both kids to take the ADHD levels I have seen reccommended here. I think they would do better with it and be more compliant as teens if we could take just once a day. I saw these www.houseofnutrition.com/nonaulomle18.html Nordic Naturals Ultimate Omega Lemon 180Sg and think they might be the right thing to try. I guess what I am trying to figure out is how to afford them for all of us. My husband and i are not ADHD but see other benefits for us. How much would we need to take? I really want all of us to get with the Omega 3s but I don't know how to afford it for the entire family so, if you know of a more affordable way or even a cheaper way for me and hubby, I would appreciate the info. None of us will do well if we have to take 3 times a day. Also, how much does it affect nosebleeds? My son has nosebleeds. It seems like mostly in the winter. It is nothing his doctor is worried about. He feels my sons nasal passages just get to dry in the winter. He has had a few nosebleeds lately but he may go months without. They are rarely a real problem. I just wonder if I'm asking for trouble. I would just love to try the fish oil with him if there is any way. I do not want him to know anything about nosebleeds, though. Also, I looked at the liquid that is the same, I think, as these gel caps. I would like to know what the does would be, though. I couldn't understand on teh liquid and I am concerned about the taste as well. But would the liquid go further or about the same. Again, trying to save money. Thanks for any help or suggestions.
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Post by eoffg on May 13, 2013 6:18:48 GMT -5
KC, you could save money by just taking 1 gel cap a day. The brain uses omega3 for daily building and maintenance, and can't make use of any extra. In regard to nose bleeds, omega3 reduces the bloods ability to 'clot', and why it is recommended that it shouldn't be taken prior to surgery. Though this loss of ability to clot, is related to the dosage of omega3. So that 1 cap a day would be much less of a problem for your son.
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Post by Mayleng on May 13, 2013 9:25:40 GMT -5
My husband and I take Omega 3, I get mine from iherb.com. What I do is find the brand you want and shop around for the cheapest on the web.
As for nosebleeds, my son has most of his nosebleeds in winter too, I still dare not give him Omega3 and don't feel the need since his meds work for his adhd. You could always try, and if he does get nosebleeds after taking it, just stop.
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Post by kc4braves on May 13, 2013 13:07:21 GMT -5
If he only takes 1 gel cap, he only gets 200-250 of DHA not the amount referenced earlier in the thread and of course the EPA would be much less as well. Would it still be beneficial at that lower dose? I have found some less expensive options, I think. My dad takes load of fish oil since it helps his blood pressure I think and other things. He buys everything from Swanson Vitamins online and swears by them. Don't know if anyone here uses them but there are some other options that sound like they would work on their site. I also wondered, Mayleng, if...since fish oil is supposed to help dry skin if it would actually possibley help the winter dry nasal passages. Just a thought. Maybe he could take it part of the year. Even if it doesn't help the ADHD there are many other benefits long term. I have wanted to have us all take them for years but I hate taking meds or vitamins so have been kinda resistant. I guess at 45, I am coming around. Thanks.
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Post by Mayleng on May 13, 2013 15:40:30 GMT -5
I have been taking Natural Factors WellBetX Rx Omega-3 Factors with Borage Oil (this is good for allegies - it reduces inflamation). Contains EPA 400mg - DHA 200mg - GLA 200mg a capsule. So far I think iherb.com has been the cheapest. You could try Amazon as well.
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Post by healthy11 on Aug 13, 2015 20:22:32 GMT -5
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