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Post by joemegmom on Apr 17, 2006 11:36:55 GMT -5
The book is called Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder a natural way to treat ADHD by Professor Basant K. Puri I got it from Amazon.com... I have not finished reading the book but it looks like he basically does a review of the literature and discusses various fatty acid treatment studies ...he also writes about vitamin and minerals
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Post by glynnes on Apr 19, 2006 14:57:03 GMT -5
Has anyone had any side effects of Omega 3 fatty Acids?
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Post by Mayleng on Apr 19, 2006 19:29:26 GMT -5
My husband gets grumpy when he was on it.
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Post by catatonic on Apr 19, 2006 23:20:24 GMT -5
Because it has a mild anti-coagulant effect, some people notice that they bruise more easily or that small cut bleed a little more freely. We haven't had a problem with this. However, my son reacts badly to the flavored liquid fish oil -- he gets hyper and obnoxious. It's not a problem as long as we stick to plain capsules.
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Post by drjohnson on Apr 28, 2006 18:13:22 GMT -5
Are there any Omega 3 supplements that do not use fish oil?
drjohnson
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Post by irishlass on May 4, 2006 22:31:40 GMT -5
I have read through most of this thread, but after a couple of pages all the brands/dosages, etc start running together and I don't know which end is up!!!! I want to supplement our whole family, we all need it. DD #1 is bipolar, possible ADHD as well. (9 yr old, approx. 58 lbs) DD #2 has no such issues. (7 yo, approx 60 lbs) DD #3 acts an awful lot like dd #1 did at her age. (5yo, approx 36 pounds). DS no issues (2yo 30 lbs). What is the least painful way to get Omega 3's into these kids. We've tried Coromega- dd reacted to the vanillin. Tried Peachy Keen- they hated the taste. Tried capsules, younger 3 can't swallow pills, bipolar dd rages when we try to make her. Is there a liquid that isn't so bad, or that has so much punch to each dose that we can give only a teeny bit? I'm desperate here.
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Post by catatonic on May 5, 2006 9:00:46 GMT -5
What I would do if they were mine is put the three younger ones on 480mg DHA. This is adequate supplementation for children 5 and under, as well as for a 7yo with no issues. For bipolar and/or ADHD, you need to do something a little different. A recent double-blind placebo-controlled study published earlier this year in the British Journal of Psychiatry found that 1,000mg EPA provided significan relief for bipolar symptoms. This replicates results from earlier open-label trials. bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/abstract/188/1/46Incidentally, they also found that more is not better. Taking 2,000mg EPA was no different than taking 1,000mg. In Paris Kidd's excellent article on bipolar from the Alternative Medicine Review, he cites studies that have used enormous amounts of fish oil...without significantly different results than those from the more recent study that used only the 1,000mg EPA. However, he does point out the utility of including DHA as well as EPA, which I always think is a good idea, since DHA is the ultimate "ready to use" Omega-3. Take a look at the article here: www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/9/2/107.pdfSooooo...what I would do is give #1 a daily dose of 1,000mg EPA and 500mg DHA. Liquid fish oils are always going to taste oily and fishy...not a terribly popular flavor around here. There are a number of lemon flavored ones. My ADHD son seems to react to something in them, I'm not sure what, but suspect the lemon flavoring. We stick to capsules. If you've got to have a liquid, the ones I like are the Carlson, which provides as much as you need in a single teaspoon. www.papanature.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs&pid=CAR-01545A very similar product at half the price -- also pharmaceutical quality -- is the discount brand "Now": www.papanature.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs&pid=NOW-01659If the younger three can swallow small pills, you might want to look at the Now brand "DHA-250". These are little capsules that each contain 250mg of DHA. Usually even really small kids can manage to swallow these, and they'd often rather learn to swallow them than taste the liquid.
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Post by irishlass on May 5, 2006 11:35:48 GMT -5
Muchas gracias, amiga!!!! : )
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Post by catatonic on May 6, 2006 7:38:08 GMT -5
Any time
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Post by joemegmom on May 15, 2006 10:48:52 GMT -5
Cat, Have you ever heard of O3mega+joy? if so what do you think of it and how many capsules should my 6 year old take? shop.genuinehealth.com/they also have a liquid but I can't seem to find any product info on this www.feelgoodnatural.com/I have heard from other moms that high EPA levels helps mood...
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Post by momika on May 15, 2006 13:31:58 GMT -5
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Post by catatonic on May 23, 2006 21:46:51 GMT -5
Your DHA is on the low side. Ideally, to replicate clinical research that's found it effective in treating ADHD, you need to give at least 480mg. That would mean upping the amount you're using to a generous 3/4tsp.
Trouble is, you can't safely do that with this product. The Vitamin A content is too high. Maximum safe dose of Vitamin A for a child of 7 years is 3,000iu. At 3/4 tsp you'd be giving him 3,750. Too much. So stick with the 1/2tsp.
I'd suggest you add a little more Vitamin E. It heps protect against oxidative damage as the fish oil is metabolized and aids in transporting it within cells. A tiny 100iu capsule ought to be enough. If those are hard for you to find, you can safely go with a 200iu capsule as well. They're still not hard for little ones to swallow.
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Post by joemegmom on May 24, 2006 11:42:44 GMT -5
Cat, tell me what you think of Omega3+joy....the link is a few posts above. Also would two capsules be correct? Thanks,
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Post by catatonic on May 25, 2006 8:29:46 GMT -5
I like the look of the Omega+joy, actually. It's from small fish body oils, which reduces the possibility of contamination that increases as you move up the food chain. There are no additives or flavorings. I don't know anything about this brand or its reputation, however. Ideally, I'd like to see a bit more DHA in there, but if you're looking at it for mood problems as opposed to focus/hyperactivity, it's probably worth trying the EPA formula. Two capsules look like the right amount to use. This is one I'd probably be willing to try in my home.
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Post by joemegmom on May 25, 2006 10:02:11 GMT -5
Thanks Cat, I am looking for it primarily for mood...I want to try to off set the side effect of adderall which sometimes makes my son moody and a bit grouchy...I only have a few more weeks left in the school year so hopefully this will do the trick.
Thanks again
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Post by catatonic on May 26, 2006 7:48:56 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think it's particularly clear what the ideal balance of DHA and EPA is. There have been studies done on DHA alone, EPA alone, the two in combination with one another...
To me, the only clear-cut answer seems to be that you need to give a sufficient total amount of DHA/EPA, but that there is a good deal of wiggle room in how the two are balanced in relation to each other.
I personally prefer a formulation that gives at least 1 1/2 times as much EPA as DHA. Since research on DHA indicates you need at least 480mg, I go with that as my starting point. Products with 480mg DHA and 720mg EPA are easy to find (I guess because manufacturers are reading the same research?).
If you like the Berry Keen, then keep using it. It's a good quality product. I do think, though, that 1/2 tsp is a lite dose. If I were using it, I'd give 1/2tsp in the morning and in the evening, for a total of 1tsp daily. Getting enough Omega-3 into your kid is more important than exactly how you get it into them!
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Post by cheermom on Jun 2, 2006 12:17:09 GMT -5
is a product with 180 epa and 900 dha too little or too much of either one? i have heard epa is more important and then i heard that dha is more important . my son will only take the ones with the strawberry flavoring so we are kind of limited. thanks for your insight
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Post by catatonic on Jun 2, 2006 19:33:04 GMT -5
The total amount of DHA + EPA is in the ballpark. I prefer a more equal balance of the two, but that's just my personal opinion. If this is one your boy is willing to take, you might want to just go ahead and try it and see how it goes.
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Post by MsMac on Jun 19, 2006 11:33:29 GMT -5
I have read all the post about Omega 3, I think I may be a little confused! My ten year old son is very small for his age, he weighs 58 pounds. I have decided to start him on Omega 3.
He is currently taken 20 mg of Metadate CD. It is not really helping him. His psychiatrist no longer takes our insurance and our pediatrician is very sick and not in the office very often. My son also takes 100 mg of Zoloft for OCD. He also has SID.
I want to start Omega 3 ASAP. I think this is what I need to give him (he doesn't have a problem taking pills but will not take liquid medicine). RxOmega 3 tablets, one in the morning and one in the evening along with a dose of 100IU of vitamin E with each dose. Do I need to approve this with his doctor? Does he need a higher dose to help with the OCD? Should I also add Vitamin C and L-Carnitine?
I want to start soon so hopefully we will see results before he starts at a new school in August.
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Post by Mayleng on Jun 20, 2006 7:17:01 GMT -5
MSmac, try raising the Metadate CD to 30mgs, 20mgs did nothing for my son either but 30mgs did the trick. You should get a new psychiatrist since your old one doesn't take insurance anymore and your Ped is not available often. It is important that when your son is on meds especially with the zoloft that you have good medical support.
As to the Omega 3s, you can start immediately without approval from the doctors ie. you don't need a script. How much EPA and DHA does the RXomega3 you have contain?, 100 IU of Vitamin E to be taken with the Omega3 is OK. When you do give the omega3s and Vitamin E, stop at least two weeks prior to ANY SURGERIES, as Omega3s thins the blood, so it might cause excessive bleeding. Always let the doctors know what supplements your child is taking.
Cat will respond to you when she checks in soon.
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Post by catatonic on Jun 20, 2006 9:04:52 GMT -5
msmac -- Normally for a child your son's age, it would be a good idea to start the RxOmega-3 at 3 a day for the initial 6 - 8 weeks, at which time it would be adequate to only give him 2 of them. However, he's not very big (by weight, he's the size of an average 8 year old), so I'd say the 2 per day ought to be sufficient for him. And 100iu of Vitamin E with each dose is perfect. As for the carnitine, it's not a bad idea at all to try it out. I'd wait a couple of weeks after starting the Omega-3 to insure that he tolerates the fish oil well with no undesirable side effects. It's always possible to see a worsening of behavior when starting supplements...sometimes due to the supplement itself, sometimes due to an additive in the product. Since there are no additives in RxOmega-3, the possibility of a negative reaction to fish oil itself is very low, but it's still a good idea to give it a trial period to make sure. Then you can add carnitine if you'd like. It serves two purposes. First, it aids in metabolism of the fish oil. Second, there is some clinical evidence that it may have therapeutic value on its own. The study linked below found that carnitine reduced aggression and hyperactivity. To replicate the amount given in the study, your son would need to take 2,500mg daily. www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2003_Feb-March/ai_97994346Vitamin C is certainly an excellent antioxidant, and helps keep the body detoxified. If your son can tolerate it, by all means give it to him. As a matter of fact, take some yourself. In my experience, though, Vitamin C has a very high probability of causing a negative reaction. Unless it specifically states a non-corn source (such as sago palm or tapioca) Vitamin C is made from corn syrup, and corn syrup is notorious for causing reactions. My son can't tolerate any corn-derived Vitamin C. This may not be the case with your son, but do make sure to start the Vitamin C separately and watch for signs that he is not tolerating it well. The other supplement I'd strongly urge you to consider adding is magnesium. More than 90% of ADHD children tested come up deficient in magnesium. The brain simply can't function appropriately without adequate magnesium. It controls neural impulses, acting as a "gatekeeper" to switch off neurons once they've sent their messages. Everyone in my family takes magnesium every day, even the "normal" ones. There's a lot of good info here, if you have time to browse around: www.mgwater.comGood luck. If you start now, you should be able to see results bythe time school starts again.
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Post by MsMac on Jun 26, 2006 22:29:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the information. I ordered the Omega-3 and the Vit. E. He has been taking it for about four days. I want to start him on the magnesium soon. Was everyone in your family tested for magnesium deficiency? Is it a simple test?
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Post by catatonic on Jun 27, 2006 7:42:10 GMT -5
You can do the Chvostek test yourself at home. Doctors often use this as a preliminary screening before ordering blood work. It can be tricky to test for magnesium deficiency since blood levels are not always indicative of tissue levels. Best is oral loading test where you take a dose of magnesium then do a 24-hour urine sample. A low amount of excreted magnesium indicates deficiency.
The Chvostek test is accurate and easy to do. It's best to follow up with the oral loading test, since a positive response to the Chvostek test can signal calcium deficiency as well as magnesium deficiency.
To perform the test, tap on the facial muscle at the angle of the jaw. The easiest way to find the spot is to draw a line between the corner of the mouth and the lower end of the ear opening (right at the top of the ear lobe), then tap halfway along that line. This means you'll tap approximately in the hollow of the cheek just above where the teeth end. If you see a twitch below the nose, that's a positive response, meaning a deficiency is present.
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Post by MsMac on Jun 27, 2006 21:22:10 GMT -5
That was interesting. I am the only one in the family with the twitch.
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Post by 2kids on Jul 12, 2006 13:37:41 GMT -5
I have a question~ I have my dau on attend by vaxa but I have been giving her the omega 3's by country life 1 cap and 100 iu of vit E. I only give 1 cap of omega because I noticed when I was just trying the omegas by themselves she didnt do well on 2 caps. I just want to double check to make sure Im not giving her too much omegas since she takes the attend too. Im not very good at spotting which ingrediant is an omega. they have an ingred. list on its web site www.vaxa.comI would greatly appreciate any advice~ Thanks so much
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Post by 2kids on Jul 12, 2006 13:39:07 GMT -5
I forgot to tell you my dau is 10 and weighs about 70lbs I also only give her 1 cap of attend in the AM and 1 cap in afternoon!
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Post by catatonic on Jul 12, 2006 17:48:31 GMT -5
Attend is a mixed homeopathic remedy. Some of the ingredienets are present in homeopathic dilutions (in other words, an amount so minute that it's virtually impossible to detect). Others are in macro quantities. Both EPA and DHA are present in macro quantities, but the amounts are not specifically listed. Does it say on your bottle how much EPA or DHA (decosahexaenoic acid or eicosapentaenoic acid) are in there? Which specific type of Country Life are you using?
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Post by 2kids on Jul 17, 2006 13:42:53 GMT -5
It doesnt say the amount on the btl either. It just says EPA> As far as the omega's they are Omega mood by country life. I will try and research some more> When I called Vaxa the guy was vauge. I asked if I could use omegas he just said yes and I wasnt told a specific amount and I also asked about mulit vits he said yes also. But Im concerned about over doing it! He didnt sound knowledgable enough for me. I guess I can ask our peditrician when we see her! Sometimes they are against natural remedies though!
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Post by catatonic on Jul 17, 2006 15:18:06 GMT -5
My experience with these "everything but the kitchen sink" remedies is that they contain small amounts of each ingredient - sub-therapeutic amounts in most cases. The Country Life Omega Mood is a good product, and it's virtually impossible to take too much fish oil in any case. I'd go ahead and use it. The one side effect you might note from high doses is that fish oil acts as a mild anti-coagulant. Small injuries like scrapes or blood test sticks may bleed somewhat more freely. Just make sure that you stop the fish oil several weeks before any kind of elective surgery.
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Post by fiona on Jul 25, 2006 0:31:02 GMT -5
Hi cat ive had to post here rather than my original post as it wont let me into it i asked u info under fish oil for my daughter i useing the micro genics and giving 4 a day with 1 200IU vit E there is 180mg EPA in each cap and 120mg DHA in a cap i read that you need at least 1000 EPA a day and that you add EPA and DHA per serve and divide it by serving size to equal the amount of omega 3 in each cap which in my case is 75 so have i got this right or not? it seems lower than all others i see
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