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[SharonF]

Thanks healthy.

Your description of 3D thinkers reminds me of a woman who used to run the local Lindamood Bell clinic, then started her own clinic for multi-sensory learners. She told me that for fun, she would take things her eyes saw. Then in her mind's eye, she would rotate them.

Or she might look at a building from street level, but in her mind's eye, she could "see" the building from up above, like she was in a helicopter. She said she did this without thinking about it. She just did it because she enjoyed doing it.

Clearly, she had incredible 3D visual processing ability. She also struggled with 2D learning such as with words on the page. And that's what prompted her to go into a career with LMB, then start her own clinic. She knew of too many kids who were called lazy or slow because their minds were wired differently. She had been one of those kids.

[2remem]

Woo Hoo -
I am so excited.
I have so much to say, but I so have to get work done today as I have IEP meeting today, tons of accounting that needs to be done, and a supplier coming to visit us tomorrow & Friday and hanging with us from the morning to night. They are good friends too. I work from home w/ DH and he's being a pain today. I may not address or respond to everything until this evening.

You all have provided so much to think about and see how it fits.
I promise to read every link and comment on them on they fit throughout the day.

Yes, she is 7 yrs. old

Healthy11- DD reverses numbers too. 61 for 16 and the 6 is often backwards. B is always capitalized no matter where in the word it is. I think it helps her know it's a "b". I am trying to figure out how she sees and what she sees. Not an easy task. Teachers do not mark her down for the letters yet, but do make her aware of them.

She is very stubborn, yet when it comes to homework she sits for long long period of time with no problem. She wants to be shown how to do something and then just leave her alone.

I just figured out last week she needs to stand up to read and that paper has to be at eye level or she need to be well above the paper to read well. She can also read well and fast upside down and could before right side up. In the beginning, how I knew there was a problem beyond the norm...she could not read Cat in the Hat. Even with all the repetition, she couldn't get it. Most kids would guess and get it right from hearing and seeing the words. She would say words that were not even close even for the simplest words. I would write "hat" 4 times on paper and even though I told her what the first one was, she did not see that all the words or letters were the same. This confuses me to this day. I think knowing the answer to this may help us exponentially.

I think her and I both see similar things. As I said in the last post. My family always said I had the memory of an elephant and it drove them crazy that I could tell every detail.

DD was tested in 1st grade on math skills. She was ok except with Probabilities. Teacher even commented on it. She was quick and correct on every question well above grade level.

Healthy11- You are probably right on the ADHD. DS probably is. That would explain why he never finishes anything, could not entertain himself, why he has knowledge about so many things yet can not commit to anything. It looks like lack of discipline/ motivation to others and may just be ADHD. He used to love the idea of experiments, but just couldn't do them. He bought about 15 books in the psychology field and is very fascinated, but cannot pick up a book even to read for school, yet he loves to read and learn. Make sense?

SharonF-
Yes, I read alot too from Linda Kreger-Silverman trying to understand my kids learning syles though I still am not completely sure. I know I am definitely VS learner. that could explain though as you said...
"But people who are visual learners (like my dd) can have visual processing problems (like my dd.) Especially if their brain is being asked to process 2D information (words on a page, charts, maps, graphs) rather than 3D information. "

I will ask dd to see if she can describe what she sees on paper. I think she may be a bit young and not know what I am getting at if she doesn't comprehend that what we see may be different from her.

DD does not put so much in her mouth as before. I think we've scared her and we really hit home that it can be dangerous.

[eoffg]

Hi 2remem,
You wrote that: "She can also read well and fast upside down and could before right side up."
Though you could get her to do some writing, where she writes upside down, starting at the bottom of the page, and from right to left?
You might find that she actually writes better and more correctly that way?
You could also get her to write some numbers, where you might find that she doesn't reverse them, when writing them this way?

Your DD could have what is termed as Print Inversion, where she processes text, rotated 180 degrees?
The image that appears on the back of our eyes, is actually rotated 180 degrees, because our eye lenses are curved.
The brain develops the ability to rotate the image and correct this.
But with text on a page, a further developmental process needs to occur, to correct it.
So perhaps you could try this, as it could provide an explanation?

[2remem]

Eoffg- I had IEP meeting yesterday & though they know she reads twice as fast standing up and paper at different angle, the OT just said she preferred to stand over paper too. They are going to try a 4" binder under her paper to change the angle of writing to see if there is a difference & the same for reading. Funny, I told them she reads better standing up and that is what they have her doing.

I am going to try your idea when she gets home from school. It sounds like a neat way see if that's how she sees.

BTW- it's interesting that OT did more writing testing & DD scores 100% on writing benchmarks that are for average person over 7 yrs old scores 90% at the highest, yet lowercase letters she scores really low because she capitalizes her B & D and has problems with four other letters like y & k. She still gets u & y mixed up. Same with number placement and where to start numbers & letters( maybe her perception?).

[eoffg]

2remem,- while she reads twice as fast standing up and the paper at a different angle. How fast is this compared to when she reads upside down?
Also when she reads upside down, I would guess that she doesn't need to stand up and read it from an angle?
A teacher that I know, has been doing research and trials into Print Inversion for about 3 years, after he identified that a number of his students with reading difficulties, were able to read perfectly upside down.
Where he has been conducting trials, where he has the students do all of their reading upside down.
Where he found that after about 3 weeks of doing this, they find that they are then able to read the correct way.
I'll add a link to his website, if you would like to have a look:

www.pireading.com/

[2remem]

Hi Everyone- super long...but worth the read!

Not sure who's around anymore. It's been years and so much has happen since I posted this. DS is 22 and DD is 14 now.
I never meant to bail but home life was not good at the time and continued to deteriorate until summer of 2014. I tried to find my way back 3 years ago but had lost any record of the board until today digging through old OneDrive folders and stumbled upon some saved posts!! Honestly...I am beyond thrilled to find my way back if just to update.

Update:
DS has CAPD, VPD, and ADHD-I but is also highly gifted in the end. He LD's have not been treated and believe or not he will go through VT when his insurance will cover it.

He was accepted into the Early Entrance Program at CSULA in 2012 at 15. He took the ACT cold, no studying at all scoring a 32. Hwe was dx'd with ADHD-I shortly after and meds did a world of good. The first year in college was a bit rocky for him to just keep track of everything but has done great. He's been on the Deans List almost every semester. He took year off when his father was killed but went back and has had nearly straight A's. He has a great part time job in a great business and financial firm that will hire him full time when he graduates.

He is finding his way though it hasn't been easy and he's still learning coping techniques. Still...can't believe how well he is doing and who would have guessed the kid who failed all maths is a financial wiz. There is so much more but this is a jist of what's been happening with him.

DD is a different story. How naive I was when posting here. I must have come across as a crazed lunatic.
Well at times that still seems to be the case concerning my kids. I think it's pure confusion with the need to understand and can't.

So...DD did ok for several years until she hit 7th grade. That's when she hit the wall. That's when I really started researching and fight with the school. Went through ao much that year even filing complaints and IDR and Due Process.

I did the IDR and pulled ny DD from school to home school through a charter. So this past year has been unbelievable. I really began to see all her difficulties and was again beyond baffled as it was more than dyslexia. Yes, she tested through a Susan Barton specialist in 2nd and 7th grade. Tested severe 2nd and profound in 7th. She got worse!!!

Well I started writing down all the areas of difficulties and my concerns. DD refused to read or write. She tried taking online testing for school and SpecEd and couldn't make it through. She developed severe anxiety, stomach issues, and burst into tears saying she doesn't understand words at all.

This year she has developed severe anxiety to go along with the IBS she's had since 1st grade that I know now is anxiety due to LD's. But also this year...7 years after this post and all the wonderful CORRECT responses...
DD has severe CAPD, severe VPD and her tracking is at 1% !!! Yes she has 2 other VPD issues also. She has sensory issues, dysgraphia and in general but also not enough webbing between fingers and is hyper mobile causing writing problems. She also has dyscalcula. I think that covers it.

This year's annual IEP took 9 meetings, nearly 18 hrs, and 2.5 months to finish. The results is a 138 pg IEP with 14 goals, APD CapDots therapy, VT once CapDots is completely, Therapy 1x/wk, OT 1x/wk, 150 hrs weekly assistance, and special classes for math and English 2x/wk each. Not SpecEd classes though.

Her level of intelligence is extremely high but LD's severely impact her and all those that tested her and her case manager agreed. So after all these years that were wasted with the answers RIGHT HERE < ^ > in these wonderful responses feom you all who cared...she is finally getting the help she needed all this time. I did try years ago to get more testing but she has always managed to overcompensated until last year. This year though changing out of our crappy school district and being blessed with an beyond excellent SpecEd case manager...we are on track and the future looks brighter. I now look forward to what's ahead...not dread it.

Oh and learned I too have APD, VPD, ADHD, dyscalcula, and possibly mild dyslexia. I was dx'd with ADHD in 4th grade but think it's actually APD & VPD more than ADHD. When my kids finish getting what they need, I may see if somehow I can get help with APD for sure. I'll work on my eye tracking at home.

Thank you everyone...
I hadn't forgotten all that cared to try and help. I lost all my bookmarks and couldn't remember how to get back. So glad I can at least update. Sounds silly I know. I have never forgotten.
Warmest Regards-
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[bros]

A 138 page IEP..... nice.

I'm glad to see your update!

[healthy11]

2remem, although it's been a number of years, we are grateful to hear from you again, and to know that things are looking up for your kids, and consequently, for you! (You've probably heard it said that "a mother is only as happy as her saddest child." www.juliebburton.com/blog/2016/7/27/are-moms-only-as-happy-as-their-saddest-child )

As you know, most of us don't have "formal special ed degrees," but we're parents who have "been through it" (and/or are "still going through it") so we can assure others that they aren't alone. While no two children are exactly alike, we try to share some of our knowledge, and point people in the right direction, so everyone doesn't have to "reinvent the wheel" when it comes to figuring out what they might do next. We realize that there are so many more "internet forums" to post on now, than there were even in 2011, so we don't have as many active members as we used to, but we believe there is still value in helping others when we can! Even re-reading older discussions can give valuable insights to people who "lurk," but may be afraid to post themselves.

FWIW, if you're interested in what's been happening in the lives of some long-time Millermom Forum members,see
millermom.proboards.com/thread/14536/checking