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Post by vp4 on Jun 29, 2009 7:04:47 GMT -5
 Let me explain. I had given letter requesting PWN in April when the case manager rejected my request for intensive LMB V&V. In the last letter in response to it, the case manager said this needs to be discussed further, after rejecting it in the IEP meeting. Last week, I got another letter telling me that they had indeed used LMB V&V with my son AND the teachers integrated those techniques into my son's curriculum. The speech language pathologist who can't shut her mouth ever told me in April about using LMB V&V for 30 minutes a week, in a group. These people are in a tizzy since I hired an attorney and had classroom observations already conducted. In this latest letter she says that my son will continue to receive LMB V&V next year (30 minutes in a group) and it is not expected he will experience significant regression without recoupment in a resonable period of time upon returning in September. However, according to her my son has demonstrated significant growth this year in pragmatic language and social interaction skills and these are considered emerging skills making him eligible for ESY. She further says instruction in these areas would continue in order to maintain the newly acquired skills over the summer months. So, they are proposing he attend social skills group one hour per week and receive 30 minutes speech language session during the ESY program. And this is once a week for 9 weeks!! I am doing cartwheels over this incredible generosity. The more I deal with this case manager, the more aggravated I get. She is so friggin clueless, the director of pupil services must be giving her the ideas now. I am looking forward to kicking their ass in DP.
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Post by sld123 on Jun 29, 2009 8:31:25 GMT -5
 Let me explain. I had given letter requesting PWN in April when the case manager rejected my request for intensive LMB V&V. /the reasoning for rejecting INTENSIVE? your reasoning he needed INTENSIVE? In the last letter in response to it, the idiot case manager said this needs to be discussed further, after rejecting it in the IEP meeting. Last week, I got another letter telling me that they had indeed used LMB V&V with my son /INTENSIVE? WHERE is the proof? is that why they diverted the classroom observation issue does lmb approve of how this was done? the fidelity? where's the data collection? the lesson plans? must not have worked being how his latest testing came out AND the teachers integrated those techniques into my son's curriculum. /really, did they show you the lesson plans, data collection ect? i'd love to cross examine them The speech language pathologist who can't shut her mouth ever told me in April about using LMB V&V for 30 minutes a week, in a group. /interesting, and, same questions These people are in a tizzy since I hired an attorney and had classroom observations already conducted. /oh, so these observations show the above? and your expert is an expert in how lmb is to be delivered and with respect to your son's needs? In this latest letter she says that my son will continue to receive LMB V&V next year (30 minutes in a group) /but the iep team did not disclose he was getting it already? and it is now in his iep for the fall? and it is not expected he will experience significant regression without recoupment in a resonable period of time upon returning in September. /because? thought your iee showed regression? However my son has demonstrated significant growth this year in pragrmatic language and social interaction skills /as evidenced by? and these are considered emerging skills making him eligible for ESY. /that part is a fact Instruction in these areas would continue in order to maintain the newly acquired skills over the summer months. So, they are proposing he attend social skills group one hour per week and receive 30 minutes speech language session during the ESY program. And this is once a week for 9 weeks!! I am doing cartwheels over this incredible generosity. /sorry, i am not, until i know for real all the above is true.... sorry to rain on your parade, this seems fabricated to cya in light of what has and has not gone on this past yr and the real eval results, incredible is a good word  The more I deal with this moron case manager, the more aggravated I get. She is so friggin clueless, the director of pupil services must be giving her the ideas now. I am looking forward to kicking their ass in DP. /then go now and get a cataloged, certified, copy of his complete, full and true ed file/records |
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Post by jdeekdee on Jun 29, 2009 9:37:41 GMT -5
I bet a million dollars they have change of heart because you asked for PWN.
See, this happens sometimes. When you request PWN they have to have LEGAL reasons for refusing your requests. And if they don't, they will backtrack and change their minds because they will not put illegal reasons in writing.
This is surprising though, because most schools just don't give PWN at all and then parent has to file state complaint. This is the point where some of them change their mind and agree to what parent requests, because the school don't want state to know they made their decision illegally.
you can request case manager be taken off the IEP team.
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Post by dihicks6 on Jun 29, 2009 9:50:59 GMT -5
You don't have the same firm that aworriedmom and hope4us had, do you? Because they couldn't kick their own ass....
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Post by vp4 on Jun 29, 2009 10:02:30 GMT -5
dihicks6, I am not using that useless firm.
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Post by vp4 on Jun 29, 2009 10:04:18 GMT -5
sld, you misunderstood my post. I was being sarcastic. No cartwheels here.
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Post by vp4 on Jun 29, 2009 10:15:34 GMT -5
jdeekdee, I requested PWN when the idiot said No to my requests in the IEP meeting. Then she sends me a letter in response to my request for PWN, saying that we need to discuss more. Now, I get a letter saying they were giving him 30 minutes of it each week last school year. Nobody mentioned to me prior to last week that the teachers were integrating the LMB program into his curriculum. Of course they weren't.
The speech language pathologist I hired to do observation and testing told me (she spoke to school's speech language specialist) last week that the school tried to use LMB V&V and was doing it all wrong. My son was in a group for 30 minutes a week. They further didn't begin the V&V from the beginning but started him off a a higher level. She strongly agreed with me that my son needs V&V beginning to end, which Dr. Kay and an Audiologist both said he needs for the last two years.
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Post by sld123 on Jun 29, 2009 10:18:58 GMT -5
well you could file for expedited/emergent hearing, rejecting their esy and see just what documents they would be using, made up ect..
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Post by vp4 on Jun 29, 2009 10:22:14 GMT -5
One thing I do want to clarify is that they aren't offering intensive LMB V&V in the ESY. They are offering 1 hour per week in a social skills group with 30 minutes of speech. Token offer I suppose they want to make to look good in DP.
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Post by sld123 on Jun 29, 2009 10:29:56 GMT -5
i saw, and upon rejecting and filing, they would quickly have to fork over their evidence to prove x is what he needs and y evidence in support of their burden of why he does not need...
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Post by sld123 on Jun 29, 2009 10:31:09 GMT -5
had classroom observations already conducted.
/oh, so these observations show the above? and your expert is an expert in how lmb is to be delivered and with respect to your son's needs?
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Post by vp4 on Jun 29, 2009 13:52:47 GMT -5
The speech lang pathologist I hired is experienced in delivering LMB programs. She uses them in her practice.
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Post by sld123 on Jun 29, 2009 15:24:33 GMT -5
so she observed them giving him lmb? ect?
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Post by vp4 on Jun 29, 2009 18:19:40 GMT -5
No, she didn't observe the actual session. She spoke to Speech lang specialist at length about what she is doing for my son.
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Post by sld123 on Jun 29, 2009 18:31:29 GMT -5
well even if they claim they have been doing it, the proof is in your testing results, wonder if that messes at all with your iee though, have you told dr k? did they not fill out input forms for dr k?
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Post by aworriedmom on Jun 30, 2009 18:43:53 GMT -5
too funny--our law firm couldn't kick their own ass much less the sped head's.......
this speech path is both a hatchet man and unqualified. We have been through several of her misdeeds. Best story is that she reused the 2006 data for this year's 3 year re-eval and bragged in the IEP that there was no need to redo it and the data was still good, so why retest? Ever hear of regression? How about IDEA noting retest at least every 3 years? SHe also took parts of DD's private CAPD eval, done by a board certified licensed audiologist and wrote on the last IEP that she herself did the testing! I am thinking about complaining to ASHA about her ethics.
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Post by jdeekdee on Jun 30, 2009 19:08:25 GMT -5
aworriedmom, did they ever do the eval over or did you have to file complaint?
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Post by aworriedmom on Jul 2, 2009 11:29:21 GMT -5
I asked for IEE in writing plus several reminders--no definitive answer yet and I'm running out of patience, so considering the next obvious step(s). But I wanted to show that I certainly and unequivocally gave them the chance to do the right thing before they gave me no choice. Sped Head now knows he has options to give me IEE, and so notify my within 7 working days from this am, or await the consequences. What they did (using 3 year old data) was clearly illegal and unethical. Anybody have input on terrific private Speech evaluators in NJ. let me know by private email or here.
thanks.
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Post by sld123 on Jul 2, 2009 13:44:30 GMT -5
dana i believe at william patterson clinic
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Post by sld123 on Jul 2, 2009 13:54:51 GMT -5
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Post by dihicks6 on Jul 7, 2009 9:31:29 GMT -5
I would not tell them that you refuse to send your son, I would simply disagree with their offer and request another meeting. Let them be the bad guys and get it in writing. Here's my take:
Dear Case Mgr.
We disagree with the district's offer of ESY for our son, NAME. The offer of a total of 6 hours of instruction in social skills and 4.5 hours in speech/language for the entire summer is not appropriate according to his IEP, and was not developed within accepted ESY guidelines and caselaw. In addition, this method of instruction is what he received during the past school year and no progress/regression was the result. IDEA requires that when a disabled child makes no progress or regresses, the IEP team must make the necessary revisions in order to provide FAPE. This has not happened.
We have previously communicated our input regarding what an appropriate ESY program might be, and are requesting that we meet with the team to further discuss this.
Please respond within two days and please place a copy in NAME's permanent educational file.
Sincerely,
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Post by vp4 on Jul 7, 2009 10:11:22 GMT -5
Thanks. That sounds much better.
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Post by sld123 on Jul 7, 2009 17:37:14 GMT -5
do you have a proposal that they rejected? or have one to propose?
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Post by vp4 on Jul 7, 2009 18:22:35 GMT -5
I made my proposal in April in an IEP meeting that they rejected and still haven't given me a PWN for. My proposal came out of Dr. Kay's recommendations. I asked for LMB V&V in ESY. They rejected it.
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Post by sld123 on Jul 7, 2009 18:54:39 GMT -5
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Post by vp4 on Jul 7, 2009 19:21:01 GMT -5
I am paying for V&V starting in 2 weeks. I will be notifying them that I will seek reimbursement. All this while I wait to go to DP.
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Post by jdeekdee on Jul 7, 2009 21:06:37 GMT -5
''I made my proposal in April in an IEP meeting that they rejected and still haven't given me a PWN for. ''
file state complaint
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Post by sld123 on Jul 8, 2009 6:26:17 GMT -5
you gave them 10 days notice?
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Post by vp4 on Jul 8, 2009 9:19:09 GMT -5
I am drafting a letter to send to them. Is there a requirement that we need to give notice 10 days prior to starting the LMB V&V program, if we intend to seek reimbursement?
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Post by sld123 on Jul 8, 2009 9:24:48 GMT -5
yes do you have the feta book?
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