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Post by dihicks6 on Jul 8, 2009 17:38:36 GMT -5
No legal requirement, however, best to give them 10 days notice that you will place him there for summer, request reimbursement. Also give them another 5 days for PWN or you will file state complaint. Then do it.
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Post by sld123 on Jul 8, 2009 17:46:11 GMT -5
legal requirement pg 133 137
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Post by vp4 on Jul 8, 2009 17:53:01 GMT -5
I got the report from Speech Language Specialist I hired. The test scores showed regression. It confirms Dr. Kay's conclusions regarding regression. The recommendations confirm that he needs V&V, Fast Forword. I had been telling the school for 2 years that he needs V&V, Fast Forword.
I also got an email from case manager in response to my reply to her regarding ESY. She claims it is the position of the school district that my son made progress. They don't have the speech language specialist's report yet but I don't think they will care either.
I am considering getting my son Fast Forword along with V&V. I will tell the school district that we will seek reimbursement for that as well.
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Post by sld123 on Jul 8, 2009 18:05:48 GMT -5
many nj schools do ff, does yours?
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Post by vp4 on Jul 8, 2009 18:43:59 GMT -5
The only thing my school district does is deny FAPE. They don't use any research based, proven programs that I am aware of.
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Post by dihicks6 on Jul 8, 2009 20:51:19 GMT -5
'She claims it is the position of the school district that my son made progress. '
Email her back and ask for a copy of the proof THEY HAVE within 5 days, because yours shows regression. Tell her you expect the district to back up their claims of progress with cold, hard data as required by IDEA. Just keep the ball in their court, and don't let any statements go unchallenged or undocumented (which I'm sure you already know) -- especially in NJ!!!
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Post by mamak on Jul 8, 2009 22:30:48 GMT -5
>>>>>last week that the school tried to use LMB V&V and was doing it all wrong. My son was in a group for 30 minutes a week. They further didn't begin the V&V from the beginning but started him off a a higher level. She strongly agreed with me that my son needs V&V beginning to end, which Dr. Kay and an Audiologist both said he needs for the last two years. <<<<<
The district’s employee to provide services in LMB methodology is not LMB unless she is certified. Lindamood-Bell’s Position Statement warns of those offering Lindamood-Bell methodologies without the appropriate training and yearly updated training. Offered 1-hour a week of Lindamood-Bell, which is not how the program was designed to be delivered. Without the program being delivered with fidelity it is no longer the research-designed program of Lindamood-Bell. No Child Left Behind requires that schools employ evidence based reading instruction. Thus, we requested a copy of the research showing the efficacy of the school district's teacher's Lindamood-Bell "like" reading program.
Ask for the training and qualifications of thee teacher in this methodology. She is not likely qualified. Check with LMB on requirements. I think it is listed on their website under professional development. A weekend seminar does not make a person certified.
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Post by aworriedmom on Jul 9, 2009 14:35:28 GMT -5
I am in vp4's awful district, too. The District will never provide PWN in the IDEA format. Our kids have the same speech pathologist, and she says she does not believe in FFW, she has not seen it help other kids. Of course I said whatever worked or didn't work for another kid doesn't mean it will/will not work for mine. That's why we evaluate individually and call this an IEP. She says she is LMB trained and like vp4 said, she tells IEP teams that she uses LMB with her students in the 30 minutes per week group sessions. Hardly the same program that is administered intensely at LMB centers, but she makes her own rules about fidelity. This is the same SPA that reused 2006 evaluation data for my DD instead of repeating the testing in 2009 for the 3 year re-eval because she told the IEP team "why retest when the old data is still good?" She never heard of new age based norms or regression. Maybe this is part of the mechanism they used to justify that vp4's son showed progress? ? This is same SPA that wrote 4 bullet points on my DD"s IEP about the 2009 CAPD private eval, and added her name to it as the evaluator and refused to name the renowned private evaluator that did the testing. vp4--I can give you email of Dir of HR for District if you want to write for her LMB certification and see if he answers. He answered me about her degrees and licensure. I am also fighting for FFW/LMB on recommendation of private audiologist/dual licensed speech path, but District is hard and fast via this speech path for no LMB or FFW. They give her 100% backing to decide unilaterally on any program or method of remediation for speech and language or audiology even though she is only CCC-SP licensed and her worksheets given to the kids are phtocopies straight out of Speech Bin, etc manuals you can buy in line (I did). She uses a very ecclectic program. Our District doesn't care about NCLB and research based methods. Their reading remediation program is reaadign Recovery and all LA classes are taught the guided reaading method. There is also no direct and explicit phonics method used--it is more whole language. The guy who leads Human Resources now just retired as Dir of LA last year and then got the new job in HR. The new Dir of LA has a lot of upgrading to do in the reading programs.
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Post by vp4 on Jul 9, 2009 15:34:14 GMT -5
Every time I see the speech specialist I feel like bringing a towel/sweatshirt she can put over her chest. Don't understand the low cut blouses. I am digressing from the topic but she really pisses me off. She told me in an IEP meeting that she sees my son for 30 minutes a week but told my speech pathologist that she sees him for 1 hour a week in group setting. I guess we need to ask for case logs to see what she is actually doing. She apparently started my son off at high level in V&V and not at the beginning because she thinks all kids in her group are at the same level. Really? I am looking forward to seeing her defend her work, when we show that in TAPS-3, my son's scores declined substantially in 7 of the 9 categories. They never heard of regression. These clowns get paid too much in our township. Our Director of Pupil Services gets paid 132K to deny FAPE and he got a 3% raise over the last year while they complain of economy/budget, etc. and I pay 19,700 in property taxes a year and that has been increasing every year for 6 years. End of rant.
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Post by sld123 on Jul 9, 2009 15:50:35 GMT -5
so your expert did not get to observe this and got to see what, for how long?
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Post by sld123 on Jul 9, 2009 15:51:22 GMT -5
like i said, move taxes average here are 800 a yr
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Post by aworriedmom on Jul 9, 2009 22:20:24 GMT -5
Can those of you that read the posts of vp4 and I imagine what our IEP meetings are like? Low cut blouses, screaming Italian class teachers, lost evaluations, case managers that have that galzed look in their eyes when you talk about issues like PWN and research absed methods. Tape recordings don't do these meetings justice--we need videos to prove to you all how awful this blue ribbon district is if you have a kid in sped. I go through every emotion possible sitting through meetings with this circus crew. I heard from a couple of other parents and read a few of the HO rulings from our District and it sounds like the Daily Show continues the same way in court. Only it isn't funny since the kids suffer so badly from the neglect of decisions made by these so called experts.
I just received my estimated tax bill for fall, too.
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Post by sld123 on Jul 10, 2009 6:38:37 GMT -5
are the other parents asleep? why not rally bob w to round up a group and get some sparks flyin?
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Post by vp4 on Jul 10, 2009 6:45:31 GMT -5
Probably other parents are clueless about law and their rights. We have a special education parent teachers association here. I attended one meeting. They were wondering why more parents don't show up. And they were bashing other parents about how the parents don't understand, don't get it, how they ask for 30-40 things which isn't realistic. No wonder more parents don't attend. They asked me to run for office in the association. I told them I am not a good fit in that association as I am not fond of pupil services. Bob W is not someone who will help. I contacted him a couple of times and he seems to have his own deal with school district. May be they gave him something in return for silence.
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Post by sld123 on Jul 10, 2009 6:50:38 GMT -5
he led the campain to get the objectives back in and and burden of proof
i know he is spending alot more time directly being a daddy , just as my best friend is spending alot more time being directly a mommy and this is her first summer of 7 not in dp
why don't you all just move? or atleast found a charter school?
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Post by vp4 on Jul 10, 2009 7:05:28 GMT -5
Good for him. Probably a good man but he is not helpful like you and everyone else here are. That is just my opinion. Can you turn back the clock on the real estate market by say 3 years? I can move and buy a similar house and pay cash for the new house from the profit. ;D
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Post by sld123 on Jul 10, 2009 7:12:58 GMT -5
sorry i live in an almost virtual world and do not realize many things
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Post by aworriedmom on Jul 10, 2009 7:55:01 GMT -5
The other local sped parent you discuss above was very active for a few years in the District, but mainly to get some diversity courses in at the high school level. He and a couple of other parents did a very public battle, went to BOE meetings, had news articles in the local papers, and led an amazing initiative, deserve much credit, but the program was never approved by the BOE. They had their own web site, too. Then everything got quiet and everyone involved now is in the background. If they were involved in helping to fix the huge gaps in the sped program, I'm sure they deserve a lot of credit and maybe things were even worse back then, but this was not done in a public manner. Our District wears parents out--you can only fight them for so long and get exhausted mentally and financially. They wear down the diligent parents because there are so many of them and they are a united front.
I agree with vp4 about the fledgling parents special ed PTA group_- I have been to several meetings. Most of the parents at these meetings buy the propaganda that they should be lucky their kids aren't worse and that they should be thankful for any sped program at all. Far as I know and I have followed the BOE meetings on tv and on-line for years, no sped parent in our District has ever taken on the BOE at meetings or in public. Guess we are all too afraid of retaliation, which the District is pretty arrogant in doing. I had the former super call me at work , on voicemail that is taped, and scream at me.
Our IEps have no objectives, and I have called the state of NJ DOE and they won't say that IEps have to have goals or objectives if your kid is in general ed classes. So we get miminal help from the state DOE to get our District to follow IDEA accurately.
Lastly, yes the burden of proof in NJ is on the District but ours doesn't blink at that. They figure that even with the weakest case, they will spend as much of the taxpayer's money as need be and wait out parents to see when we run out of $$$ to stop pursuing FAPE. They are even willing to keep canceling mediation meetings just to keep the clock running and make the parent's bills mount up. They did all of this to me. Their philosophy is to win at any and all cost. That's why most parents here look at the cost of Dp vs our District, and decide they can pay several years of OOD placement for what it would cost them to take the District to DP. Sad but true.
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Post by dihicks6 on Jul 10, 2009 7:58:15 GMT -5
"Our IEps have no objectives, and I have called the state of NJ DOE and they won't say that IEps have to have goals or objectives if your kid is in general ed classes."
Do they have objectives for any deficits listed in the present levels of performance? That's the key here and required by law.
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Post by sld123 on Jul 10, 2009 8:08:16 GMT -5
The other local sped parent you discuss above was very active for a few years in the District, but mainly to get some diversity courses in at the high school level. He and a couple of other parents did a very public battle, went to BOE meetings, had news articles in the local papers, and led an amazing initiative, deserve much credit, but the program was never approved by the BOE. They had their own web site, too. Then everything got quiet and everyone involved now is in the background. If they were involved in helping to fix the huge gaps in the sped program, I'm sure they deserve a lot of credit and maybe things were even worse back then, but this was not done in a public manner. /i was writing about his nj strong statewide movement regarding the nj sped regs; burden of proof and sto Our District wears parents out--you can only fight them for so long and get exhausted mentally and financially. They wear down the diligent parents because there are so many of them and they are a united front. /if there are so many, then why not; file group complaints with ocr, nj civil rights, and the st sped? and make a formal group with media? I agree with vp4 about the fledgling parents special ed PTA group_- I have been to several meetings. Most of the parents at these meetings buy the propaganda that they should be lucky their kids aren't worse and that they should be thankful for any sped program at all. Far as I know and I have followed the BOE meetings on tv and on-line for years, no sped parent in our District has ever taken on the BOE at meetings or in public. Guess we are all too afraid of retaliation, which the District is pretty arrogant in doing. I had the former super call me at work , on voicemail that is taped, and scream at me. Our IEps have no objectives, and I have called the state of NJ DOE and they won't say that IEps have to have goals or objectives if your kid is in general ed classes. So we get miminal help from the state DOE to get our District to follow IDEA accurately. Lastly, yes the burden of proof in NJ is on the District but ours doesn't blink at that. They figure that even with the weakest case, they will spend as much of the taxpayer's money as need be and wait out parents to see when we run out of $$$ to stop pursuing FAPE. They are even willing to keep canceling mediation meetings just to keep the clock running and make the parent's bills mount up. They did all of this to me. Their philosophy is to win at any and all cost. That's why most parents here look at the cost of Dp vs our District, and decide they can pay several years of OOD placement for what it would cost them to take the District to DP. Sad but true. /the cost of dp is under $100 so i don't 'get' it?
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Post by sld123 on Jul 10, 2009 8:12:49 GMT -5
what do the nj regs. actually state? "Our IEps have no objectives, and I have called the state of NJ DOE and they won't say that IEps have to have goals or objectives if your kid is in general ed classes." Do they have objectives for any deficits listed in the present levels of performance? That's the key here and required by law.
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Post by vp4 on Jul 15, 2009 14:04:11 GMT -5
We filed request for due process.
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Post by sld123 on Jul 15, 2009 17:08:55 GMT -5
esy and or reg dp?
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Post by vp4 on Jul 15, 2009 18:15:16 GMT -5
reg DP. Will be doing V&V for 5 weeks and seeking reimbursement.
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Post by sld123 on Jul 16, 2009 5:48:27 GMT -5
esy dp is much much faster and with the mediation you can bring in other matters to include in the settlment
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Post by sld123 on Jul 20, 2009 12:15:32 GMT -5
why not esy? choosing mediation or resolution session?
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Post by sld123 on Jul 20, 2009 12:26:30 GMT -5
forgot, and section 504?
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Post by michellea on Jul 20, 2009 12:38:05 GMT -5
Hi all, The situation appears very trying and I am sorry for that. Getting the services needed for FAPE should not be so difficult. That said, please be careful about how you characterize people within the district. The words you use could inadvertently hurt the very people that support you.
<<screaming Italian class teachers>> Not sure what this means, but as a second generation Italian, it feels a bit stereotypical. Not all Italians scream or wear inappropriate clothing - and the teachers' lineage is most likely not the problem - my bet is that there is a problem with overall policy, leadership, resources and education. These obstacles cause havoc for all nationalities.
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Post by vp4 on Jul 20, 2009 14:09:39 GMT -5
That had nothing to do with Italians I believe. It so happened to be a teacher who taught Italian. If a teacher screamed at my son, there would be hell to pay. I don't care who the teacher is and what it was about.
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Post by michellea on Jul 20, 2009 15:05:46 GMT -5
Thanks for clarifying - the Italian teacher is a lot different than teachers who are Italian. Sorry that I misunderstood.
And - I do hope you are able to get the LMB covered.
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