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Post by najatsss on Sept 6, 2016 10:50:20 GMT -5
Hello there
I want to ask i make for my daughter a iq test when she was 3 she make below 70 now she is 3 and 9 mounth shes develop but i want to ask about her future she didnt have any medical or movment problem only the speech the languge she didnt understand like her peers her mind is like 2 or 2/1-2 now she is 3 and 9 mounth what do you think about future ? her languge is 2 and uderstanding vocablary like 2 but she take me to the kicthen said egg and open the fridge and take the egg and give it to me take me to the playing room
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Post by bros on Sept 6, 2016 11:22:10 GMT -5
She could just have a delay in language development that may eventually resolve with speech therapy - IQ tests are very inaccurate in the very young and the nonverbal - so take those results with a grain of salt
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Post by healthy11 on Sept 6, 2016 20:47:26 GMT -5
Najatsss, can I ask which IQ test your daughter was given? For children with language difficulties, often "non-verbal IQ tests" such as the UNIT or C-TONI are given, but those are intended for children over age 5 or 6, NOT 3 years old.
As Bros has already stated, IQ test results of young children should NOT be considered as a reliable indication of how intelligent they are, or what their future holds. Is she receiving speech and language therapy now, through your local school district? That is very important, but also you should focus on doing everything you can to enrich her daily life...For example, when she mentioned egg, you could show her how to cook it, and talk about how it has a yellow part and a white part, and that eggs come from chickens, etc. Most young children have the capacity to learn and understand, even if they are not able to explain things using their own words.
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Post by najatsss on Sept 10, 2016 20:15:59 GMT -5
Najatsss, can I ask which IQ test your daughter was given? For children with language difficulties, often "non-verbal IQ tests" such as the UNIT or C-TONI are given, but those are intended for children over age 5 or 6, NOT 3 years old. As Bros has already stated, IQ test results of young children should NOT be considered as a reliable indication of how intelligent they are, or what their future holds. Is she receiving speech and language therapy now, through your local school district? That is very important, but also you should focus on doing everything you can to enrich her daily life...For example, when she mentioned egg, you could show her how to cook it, and talk about how it has a yellow part and a white part, and that eggs come from chickens, etc. Most young children have the capacity to learn and understand, even if they are not able to explain things using their own words. There is test on this age by toys they use toys and drawing with littel qustions and shes still didnt go to bathroom i try to teach her many times she cant control her Self for bathroom i dont know one have idea? Shes playing like other kids but her languge is like 2 years her talk no meaning and no sens But her act good some times she shuot alot and there is no health problem only she dont eat much one egg and littel bread at day
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Post by healthy11 on Sept 11, 2016 10:04:11 GMT -5
Did they give you a written report with your daughter's evaluation scores? The name of the test should be on the report. Is your daughter getting speech therapy now?
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Post by michellea on Sept 12, 2016 10:50:58 GMT -5
Hi najatsss, IQ tests are not always reliable at a young age. I've seen some kids score very high when they were toddlers only to score lower at age 9 or 10 - and vice a versa! But, a low score can indicate a gap in development that may need attention. Since your child is over 3 years old, she may be eligible for special education services through your local school district. If she qualifies, she could receive speech and language therapy, social skills training, occupational therapy or other services that would help her to catch up. Many school districts offer these therapies through pre-school programs. Does your daughter get special education services through your school district on an IEP (individualized education program)? If not, you should send them a letter right away and ask for a full evaluation and a meeting to determine if she qualifies for special ed. Your letter could say something like: Dear Special Education Director, I am writing to request a full special education evaluation for my daughter, (name). I am very concerned with her language including her ability to understand and express herself. Her overall maturity and social interactions seem to be delayed over a year. She is behind her peers in self help and self care and sometimes becomes overly frustrated. I would like the evaluation to address all of this plus pre-academic skills. Please consider this letter my consent to evaluate. If I need to sign an evaluation form, please send it to me within the next 3 days so I can authorize the testing as soon as possible. Daughter's name was tested in (give year). I am attaching the results of her testing as back ground information. Please contact me about next steps for the evaluation. You can reach me at (write e-mail address) or (phone number) Sincerely Name In the meantime, you can contact your state's Parent Information Center for information about the special education process and your rights. This link will help you to find the center that serves your state: (http://www.parentcenterhub.org/find-your-center/). Here is an excellent article that will help you to understand how to get help: www.understood.org/en/school-learning/special-services/ieps/getting-an-iep-for-your-very-young-childBest of luck.
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Post by najatsss on Sept 12, 2016 20:29:34 GMT -5
Hi najatsss, IQ tests are not always reliable at a young age. I've seen some kids score very high when they were toddlers only to score lower at age 9 or 10 - and vice a versa! But, a low score can indicate a gap in development that may need attention. Since your child is over 3 years old, she may be eligible for special education services through your local school district. If she qualifies, she could receive speech and language therapy, social skills training, occupational therapy or other services that would help her to catch up. Many school districts offer these therapies through pre-school programs. Does your daughter get special education services through your school district on an IEP (individualized education program)? If not, you should send them a letter right away and ask for a full evaluation and a meeting to determine if she qualifies for special ed. Your letter could say something like: Dear Special Education Director, I am writing to request a full special education evaluation for my daughter, (name). I am very concerned with her language including her ability to understand and express herself. Her overall maturity and social interactions seem to be delayed over a year. She is behind her peers in self help and self care and sometimes becomes overly frustrated. I would like the evaluation to address all of this plus pre-academic skills. Please consider this letter my consent to evaluate. If I need to sign an evaluation form, please send it to me within the next 3 days so I can authorize the testing as soon as possible. Daughter's name was tested in (give year). I am attaching the results of her testing as back ground information. Please contact me about next steps for the evaluation. You can reach me at (write e-mail address) or (phone number) Sincerely Name In the meantime, you can contact your state's Parent Information Center for information about the special education process and your rights. This link will help you to find the center that serves your state: (http://www.parentcenterhub.org/find-your-center/). Here is an excellent article that will help you to understand how to get help: www.understood.org/en/school-learning/special-services/ieps/getting-an-iep-for-your-very-young-childBest of luck. I forget the name of the test and i test her 2 times Withe difrent doctors both give me this under 70 The performance is about 2 year the languge Is about 1 year and 9 mounth
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Post by najatsss on Sept 12, 2016 20:44:57 GMT -5
Did they give you a written report with your daughter's evaluation scores? The name of the test should be on the report. Is your daughter getting speech therapy now? I forgot the name of the test but both doctors give me under 70 languge about 1 year 9 mounth the understand of the languge and the speech and the performance and cognative skills is 2 years i give her now a speech thearpy and i bought for her too much toys and i play with her she have gap between her real age and her mental age and i dont know what the future she will make jump or what she still dont go for bathroom
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Post by healthy11 on Sept 12, 2016 23:13:11 GMT -5
najatsss, do you live in the U.S., and if so, which state? (We have members from Europe, Australia, and elsewhere. Everyone is welcome, but the type of services that are available are different in each place.) It is good that you are working with your daughter, but it might be even more helpful if she was also seeing a trained speech therapist. Have you asked her pediatrician about her speech and other developmental delays?
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Post by najatsss on Sept 13, 2016 7:42:59 GMT -5
najatsss, do you live in the U.S., and if so, which state? (We have members from Europe, Australia, and elsewhere. Everyone is welcome, but the type of services that are available are different in each place.) It is good that you are working with your daughter, but it might be even more helpful if she was also seeing a trained speech therapist. Have you asked her pediatrician about her speech and other developmental delays? I live in Kuwait she have a speech therapist and i work with her daily i brings for her alot of toys like barbei house cognative toys kicthen and i keep talking and playing with her if she didnt understand i act like iam tired or act Like iam hungrey i want food or need to go to bathroom and so on
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Post by bros on Sept 13, 2016 11:30:16 GMT -5
She can catch up.
When I was 3, my parents couldn't understand a word I said, most of the time. I would mostly grunt and yell - I gave my parents many black eyes.
I was tested and they said that I was 50% or more globally developmentally delayed - At most, my abilities with some things were like an 18 month old. With some, it was like a 12 or 14 month old.
However, with a lot of help - speech therapy, occupational therapy, physical therapy, and a great special education teacher in a good classroom - I caught up for the most part.
Try to have her engage you - maybe sit somewhere where you can see her, and ask her to bring you something (Name it). Use very simple sentences, they don't even need to sound correct, it could be something like "[Name], bring barbie."
One thing that helped a lot with me was my parents read to me every single night before I went to bed. They read to me, they would show it to me and point to the words while reading them.
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Post by hsmom on Sept 13, 2016 13:24:29 GMT -5
Najatss, Living overseas must be very difficult. Is there an expat organization where parents can ask questions and exchange information? Or, is there a school for expat children where there might be a knowledgeable professional? My son's first evaluation at 9 years old showed a low average IQ, but three years later it was tested to be in the high average range. As others have told you IQ scores, especially with a very young child, can change. In the meantime, please read what I posted a while ago.
"In the article I found (full title - The Art and Science of Testing: Why Assessing a Child Is Not Child’s Play) on the Yale Center for Dyslexia and Creativity website, a mother, who is also a professional, offers the following recommendation: ... trust what you know about your child. No matter how qualified the practitioner, or how carefully the testing was done, the results are based on tests that are not perfect, in a situation that may not be optimal. The results are good guides, and often very helpful in finding reasons for things you may be seeing at home or at school. But if they tell you something that does not make sense to you, they may be wrong. Tests are designed to predict or reflect reality. If they do not match reality, it is not sensible to say that reality is wrong.
It's an informative article worth reading:"
dyslexia.yale.edu/evaluator.html
Were you with your child when she was tested? Do you know how she was tested?
The important point is to keep working with the speech therapist; ask for suggestions of what you can do at home; and as bros has said, interact with her and read to her; have others talk and play with her.
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Post by najatsss on Sept 15, 2016 23:47:47 GMT -5
She can catch up. When I was 3, my parents couldn't understand a word I said, most of the time. I would mostly grunt and yell - I gave my parents many black eyes. I was tested and they said that I was 50% or more globally developmentally delayed - At most, my abilities with some things were like an 18 month old. With some, it was like a 12 or 14 month old. However, with a lot of help - speech therapy, occupational therapy, physical therapy, and a great special education teacher in a good classroom - I caught up for the most part. Try to have her engage you - maybe sit somewhere where you can see her, and ask her to bring you something (Name it). Use very simple sentences, they don't even need to sound correct, it could be something like "[Name], bring barbie." One thing that helped a lot with me was my parents read to me every single night before I went to bed. They read to me, they would show it to me and point to the words while reading them. Oh your post give me a hope at what age you start catch up ?? I will start to tell her story every day at night and i will do all your advice thanks god for sending me a support People like you
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Post by najatsss on Sept 15, 2016 23:57:36 GMT -5
Najatss, Living overseas must be very difficult. Is there an expat organization where parents can ask questions and exchange information? Or, is there a school for expat children where there might be a knowledgeable professional? My son's first evaluation at 9 years old showed a low average IQ, but three years later it was tested to be in the high average range. As others have told you IQ scores, especially with a very young child, can change. In the meantime, please read what I posted a while ago.
"In the article I found (full title - The Art and Science of Testing: Why Assessing a Child Is Not Child’s Play) on the Yale Center for Dyslexia and Creativity website, a mother, who is also a professional, offers the following recommendation: ... trust what you know about your child. No matter how qualified the practitioner, or how carefully the testing was done, the results are based on tests that are not perfect, in a situation that may not be optimal. The results are good guides, and often very helpful in finding reasons for things you may be seeing at home or at school. But if they tell you something that does not make sense to you, they may be wrong. Tests are designed to predict or reflect reality. If they do not match reality, it is not sensible to say that reality is wrong.
It's an informative article worth reading:"
dyslexia.yale.edu/evaluator.html
Were you with your child when she was tested? Do you know how she was tested?
The important point is to keep working with the speech therapist; ask for suggestions of what you can do at home; and as bros has said, interact with her and read to her; have others talk and play with her.
I give her speech therapy with a very good man and now summer holiday will finish this next week and she will start to go to nursery and i talk to her all the time and play with her and i bought for her A lot of toys that help her and i play with her when she go to kitchen and ask me for egg and she give me the i pad to open it for her and she bring her shose and tell me car super market i feel good but when she talk blla blla blla I feel bad she some times said mickey mouse tiger snake together with out any sense i start To think shes not oky she ask me like 10 times Where is my father i told her he is sleep and She saw him sleeping she ask again and again
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Post by najatsss on Sept 15, 2016 23:58:57 GMT -5
Najatss, Living overseas must be very difficult. Is there an expat organization where parents can ask questions and exchange information? Or, is there a school for expat children where there might be a knowledgeable professional? My son's first evaluation at 9 years old showed a low average IQ, but three years later it was tested to be in the high average range. As others have told you IQ scores, especially with a very young child, can change. In the meantime, please read what I posted a while ago.
"In the article I found (full title - The Art and Science of Testing: Why Assessing a Child Is Not Child’s Play) on the Yale Center for Dyslexia and Creativity website, a mother, who is also a professional, offers the following recommendation: ... trust what you know about your child. No matter how qualified the practitioner, or how carefully the testing was done, the results are based on tests that are not perfect, in a situation that may not be optimal. The results are good guides, and often very helpful in finding reasons for things you may be seeing at home or at school. But if they tell you something that does not make sense to you, they may be wrong. Tests are designed to predict or reflect reality. If they do not match reality, it is not sensible to say that reality is wrong.
It's an informative article worth reading:"
dyslexia.yale.edu/evaluator.html
Were you with your child when she was tested? Do you know how she was tested?
The important point is to keep working with the speech therapist; ask for suggestions of what you can do at home; and as bros has said, interact with her and read to her; have others talk and play with her.
I think the test name stanford something
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Post by healthy11 on Sept 16, 2016 10:22:42 GMT -5
Najatsss, although your daughter may say "mickey mouse tiger snake together with out any sense" and ask the same questions again and again, I agree that it is good she is trying to talk. I have a new neighbor, and that family has a daughter who is about 2, and the only words I can understand from her are "Bye" and "Ball" and "No." The girl does not say words together. The mother has said that their pediatrician is aware of her daughter's delays, but said the best thing at these young ages is to do exactly what you are doing...talk to her and play with her a lot, try to read books and explain what is happening when you do things together (like cooking the egg before she eats it.) I am unclear if your daughter will resume speech therapy with the man after summer holiday, or if she will receive any speech therapy at nursery school, but it is important that she continues. Another resource might be online therapy...I do not have personal experience with it, but you might check places like www.speechbuddy.com/blog/games-and-activities/6-free-online-speech-therapy-resources/
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Post by bros on Sept 16, 2016 11:28:22 GMT -5
She can catch up. When I was 3, my parents couldn't understand a word I said, most of the time. I would mostly grunt and yell - I gave my parents many black eyes. I was tested and they said that I was 50% or more globally developmentally delayed - At most, my abilities with some things were like an 18 month old. With some, it was like a 12 or 14 month old. However, with a lot of help - speech therapy, occupational therapy, physical therapy, and a great special education teacher in a good classroom - I caught up for the most part. Try to have her engage you - maybe sit somewhere where you can see her, and ask her to bring you something (Name it). Use very simple sentences, they don't even need to sound correct, it could be something like "[Name], bring barbie." One thing that helped a lot with me was my parents read to me every single night before I went to bed. They read to me, they would show it to me and point to the words while reading them. Oh your post give me a hope at what age you start catch up ?? I will start to tell her story every day at night and i will do all your advice thanks god for sending me a support People like you Age 4 or 5 is when other people could understand me. I started to do well in reading around 6, then by 8 years old I was in mostly non special education classes
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Post by najatsss on Sept 16, 2016 19:24:39 GMT -5
Najatsss, although your daughter may say "mickey mouse tiger snake together with out any sense" and ask the same questions again and again, I agree that it is good she is trying to talk. I have a new neighbor, and that family has a daughter who is about 2, and the only words I can understand from her are "Bye" and "Ball" and "No." The girl does not say words together. The mother has said that their pediatrician is aware of her daughter's delays, but said the best thing at these young ages is to do exactly what you are doing...talk to her and play with her a lot, try to read books and explain what is happening when you do things together (like cooking the egg before she eats it.) I am unclear if your daughter will resume speech therapy with the man after summer holiday, or if she will receive any speech therapy at nursery school, but it is important that she continues. Another resource might be online therapy...I do not have personal experience with it, but you might check places like www.speechbuddy.com/blog/games-and-activities/6-free-online-speech-therapy-resources/God bless you all you are really support me i will see the link
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Post by najatsss on Sept 16, 2016 19:26:04 GMT -5
Oh your post give me a hope at what age you start catch up ?? I will start to tell her story every day at night and i will do all your advice thanks god for sending me a support People like you Age 4 or 5 is when other people could understand me. I started to do well in reading around 6, then by 8 years old I was in mostly non special education classes you mean you become normal at age 8 with your peers
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Post by healthy11 on Sept 16, 2016 22:02:10 GMT -5
najatsss, I remember when my son was young, and I was trying to learn everything that I could about his difficulties. One of the first things I realized is that everyone is different, and other parents reminded me there is no such thing as "normal." Even two children without learning delays may have very different abilities, but that does not mean one is normal and the other is not. Instead of thinking that any child is not normal, people advised me to talk about "typical" development.
For example, when my son was age 4 or 5, he spoke okay, but he did not like to sit with me to look at books, or to use crayons. He was interested in the way things worked, however. I remember once when we went to a store, and there was a man repairing a broken escalator, and my son was happy to stand and watch that for a long time. My son did not act like a "typical" preschool child, but it was not a problem until he got to kindergarten. Then, the teacher expected children to be able to sit quietly at times, but my son always wanted to move around and talk. That is when we decided to have him tested, and we were told that he had "difficulty paying attention." They also said that children who had good vocabularies usually were able to start to read and write, but again, my son did not exhibit typical development. He talked fine, but he had difficulty trying to "sound out words" or print A,B,C's.
Again, what other parents reminded me is that almost all children can learn, but some learn at different ages and have to be taught in different ways. That is when we decided to find a tutor to give our son more individual practice. He still has ADHD (attention deficit) but he eventually learned to read. It takes him more time, and his handwriting and spelling have never been as good as his peers, but since computers are now commonly used, he is able to function well enough. There were times I worried he would never finish school, but he graduated from a university, and works as an engineer.
No one can tell for certain what the future will be, but try not to be discouraged. Something I probably should have asked before, is whether your daughter has ever had an audiologist evaluate her? They can test for more than ordinary hearing, including for how well she processes the sounds that she hears. Sometimes, children have speech and language issues that are a result of auditory difficulties. That would be important to find out.
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